- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Owen× ☎ 21:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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The article was previously deleted; it was ‘Created by a banned or blocked user (CarmenEsparzaAmoux) in violation of ban or block’. Due to this, I also believe the author (Keyofz) should be blocked. Diegg24 (talk) 20:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, California, Indiana, and Pennsylvania. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I do not know the user CarmenEsparzaAmoux. I have been creating and editing Wiki pages for 17 years under this ID and have created over 40 new pages. I recently discovered the work of Bruz Fletcher and feel his historical significance is important and merits a Wiki entry. Keyofz (talk) 20:45, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I would be interested in reading the AFD for the deleted entry and I have no opinion about banning the users mentioned. (Blocks seem out scope for this discussion.) But given that the subject is the focus of at least two historical organizations, an academic journal article, and several contemporary newspaper articles, I think entry meets WP:GNG. -- Jaireeodell (talk) 20:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- There wasn't an AFD discussion for the previously deleted page. It was deleted under speedy deletion criterion G5. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Article clearly passes GNG, he has just enough coverage in several reliable sources to meet GNG. Noah 💬 21:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - notable. 885 results on Newspapers.com (including [1], [2] and [3]). 18 results on Google Scholar. Add in Google Books. There's enough there. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - In agreement with the voters above, though the article's prose needs to be toned down a bit. It appears that the suggestion to block the creator of this version of the article was made without proper investigation. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Having arrived at a consensus on notability, can we please remove the AfD flag? Keyofz (talk) 17:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Per the usual procedure, a deletion discussion remains open for one week in case someone comes along with a different argument. An Admin will make a decision around January 5th, and I bet this article will survive. An uninvolved editor could also invoke the snowball clause if it's really obvious, but patience will eventually be rewarded. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, your perspective is appreciated. Have a happy new year. Keyofz (talk) 20:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Per the usual procedure, a deletion discussion remains open for one week in case someone comes along with a different argument. An Admin will make a decision around January 5th, and I bet this article will survive. An uninvolved editor could also invoke the snowball clause if it's really obvious, but patience will eventually be rewarded. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree with the apparent consensus above, based on the sources used in the article and those I found googling. The article could definitely use some copyediting, though. --Tserton (talk) 14:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - it could use a blue pencil but there's plenty of significant coverage on the subject. Being edited by a banned user doesn't automatically result in deleting. Bearian (talk) 02:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Can you explain "being edited by a banned user" as it relates to this article? I created the article and am not a banned user. Thanks for clarification. Keyofz (talk) 03:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- That comment is actually in your favor. The person who initiated this deletion discussion wrongfully implied that Bruz Fletcher is non-notable simply because the first version of the article was written by someone who was blocked/banned for other misdeeds. That same mispeception was then applied to you unfairly. Nobody else here has adopted that line of reasoning. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I appreciate your clarification.Keyofz (talk) 19:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- That comment is actually in your favor. The person who initiated this deletion discussion wrongfully implied that Bruz Fletcher is non-notable simply because the first version of the article was written by someone who was blocked/banned for other misdeeds. That same mispeception was then applied to you unfairly. Nobody else here has adopted that line of reasoning. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.