Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cassern S. Goto

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The result was redirect to List of Warhammer 40,000 novels. RL0919 (talk) 15:02, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cassern S. Goto

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Nominating on behalf of an IP with the following rationalle.

This page has had a notability tag on it for over a decade, has been prodded twice and multiple people on the talk page have questioned whether this author is actually notable, so I think it's about time it was brought to AFD so a discussion can be had. This author is best known for writing some really poorly received Warhammer 40,000 video game tie in novels, which made them the subject of much derision and mockery on sites like 4chan. What I don't see here is any evidence that this has translated into any kind of coverage that would confer wikipedia notability.
The author does not appear to meet any of the notability criteria at WP:NAUTHOR and furthermore does not appear to have attracted any kind of coverage that would suggest they pass WP:NBASIC. Doing a bit of searching around turns up a fair few results from Warhammer 40,000 fan sites, forums and wikis, but that is hardly the kind of coverage that demonstrates notability or that would be required to write a BLP. The article as it stands has no citations, and the only external links are to games workshop companies and databases.

Qwaiiplayer (talk) 14:17, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Authors, and Science fiction and fantasy. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 14:17, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Merge and/or redirect I did all the usual searches and found nothing CT55555(talk) 14:21, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Redirect to List of Warhammer 40,000 novels. No evidence of meeting Wikipedia notability criteria. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ I don't find any critical reviews of his books, but this is perhaps understandable as the books are rather a niche product. Oaktree b (talk) 15:47, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I've figured out he is best known as "C S Goto" http://thegoodthebadtheinsulting.blogspot.com/2012/06/warrior-brood-book-review.html CT55555(talk) 18:05, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Did his writing inspire a video game? https://www.tomshw.it/culturapop/warhammer-40000-games-workshop/ CT55555(talk) 18:07, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@CT55555@Oaktree b (I'm the IP editor who wrote the nom statement) No, you have that connection back to front. Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War was a highly successful series of real time strategy games set in the Warhammer 40,000 universe, Goto was hired to adapt the story from the video games into a series of books. The books ignored and changed the story, setting and characters, which lead to a lot of backlash from parts of the Warhammer community. As I said in the nom statement there's a fair amount of coverage of him on Warhammer 40,000 wikis, reddit, 4chan, blogs, fansites and the like, but as far as I can tell this doesn't seem to have resulted in any coverage that would make the person notable from a wikipedia standpoint, and that kind of of sourcing shouldn't be anywhere near a BLP. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 19:01, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@CT55555 see https://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/warhammer-40000-dawn-of-war/credits for the people who wrote the story for the actual video game. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 19:05, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He seems notable in very unreliable sources, lol, https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/dbdv7b/just_how_bad_is_it_with_cs_goto_and_the_multi/ CT55555(talk) 18:08, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good sleuthing, but those don't really help us. Reddit is about as unreliable as they come, the blogspot is a blog. Unsure about the video game link, might be more in Italian media? Oaktree b (talk) 18:36, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. CT55555(talk) 18:15, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Merge or Redirect to the Warhammer 40k article might be a good alternative? Oaktree b (talk) 20:31, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or a redirect to List of Warhammer 40,000 novels? 86.23.109.101 (talk) 20:57, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That seems better. I agree. Scoring out my delete for now. CT55555(talk) 23:06, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Warhammer 40,000 novels, where his contributions are listed. The book Technik und Gender does confirm his authorship of Dawn of War and the discrepancies between that and the role-playing game. Nothing to establish notability, but it is a secondary source, so I think we should take this alternative to deletion. Daranios (talk) 11:13, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Warhammer 40,000 novels. CT55555 thanks for finding the correct name for the person. I see there is already a redirect (2007) from C. S. Goto also. The person is somewhat notable, but does not meet WP:BASIC at this time. Bruxton (talk) 16:51, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Warhammer 40,000 novels: The only sources that I could find are horribly unreliable. It should also be considered that C. S. Goto is a living person, so the standards for verifiability are higher than they would be for a deceased individual. Goto's article cannot be allowed to persist if better sources are not found. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 19:26, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Warhammer 40,000 novels, as ATD. Does not meet either GNG or NAUTHOR.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:38, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: While it needs references and improvement, the subject is notable. —¿philoserf? (talk) 23:35, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Coverage does not support that a standalone article is warranted. MrsSnoozyTurtle 05:20, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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