Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/College of Pharmacy (Pune)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. I find the arguments that all tertiary colleges are notable persuasive; the suggestion to merge to University of Pune does not seem feasible, as the institution appears administratively separate. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

College of Pharmacy (Pune)

Delete This obscure college in rural India only started a year ago and not produced any notable academic or pharmaceutical achievements. Ecoleetage (talk) 19:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. First AfD of this Article: closed delete 4 days ago. Pastordavid (talk) 20:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Reply- So it was recreated. Then we can simply speedy G4 it. Mizu onna sango15/水女珊瑚15 20:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, should have been clearer. The content is slightly expanded by a sentence or two from the version that was deleted, including a couple of new sources. CSD G4 is only for the recreation of identical content. Pastordavid (talk) 20:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I thought G4 was for substantially identical (which to me means adding a sentence or two would still meet G4, although the new sources would need to be looked at to verify the similarities. Jasynnash2 (talk) 10:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Please see this note from the admin who closed the earlier AfD, though in context he does mean main space :-) TerriersFan (talk) 21:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable. Renee (talk) 20:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this is a tertiary, approved, degree awarding institution and by long custom these are regarded as notable. Though a stub it meets policy requirements. The statement by the nominator that it is an 'obscure college in rural India' sounds like systemic bias to me and underplays that Pune is rapidly becoming a major technological centre. TerriersFan (talk) 21:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Please see http://www.pci.nic.in/institute_cities/degree/Maharashtra.htm for a list of pharmacy schools in the state of Maharashtra approved by the Pharmacy Council of India. I couldn't find a listing for this school, but perhaps I was looking in the wrong place. --Eastmain (talk) 21:32, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - this is because the degrees it awards are University of Pune degrees and not degrees in its own name. This is a similar arrangement to that which exists at many tertiary colleges in the UK; for example Edge Hill University for a number of years awarded University of Liverpool degrees. TerriersFan (talk) 21:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 21:32, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 21:32, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —TerriersFan (talk) 22:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per our long-standing precedent that ALL tertiary degree-conferring institutions can be shown to be notable, obviating the lack of necessity for deletion discussions for same. Previous deletion was contested via a less-formal approach than DRV; through discussion by two admin wikipedians with the deleting admin, and the userfied version was slightly improved (although improvement was not required in order to be kept -- the old version was fine) and then it was restored to mainspace per that discussion. The notion that this is a CSD#A4 is therefore fallacious. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 02:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I closed the original AFD as "delete", this version seems better. No opinion really, but inclined to suggest keep. Neıl ☎ 07:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with University of Pune article... in particular I'd say under Affiliations or Schools,Centres and Departments. Jasynnash2 (talk) 10:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If this institution was in the USA or the UK nobody would even thought about nominating it for deletion. Also I'm not quite sure what the nominator means by "rural" - Pune is larger than any city in the USA except for New York, and any city in the UK apart from London. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:02, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply The college itself is not in the city of Pune, but (according to the article} in the "outskirts." Ecoleetage (talk) 23:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to reply Romford is in the outskirts of Greater London but I am not sure that the residents would take kindly to being described as living in 'rural Britain'. Narhe, the district of Pune concerned, also contains the Kashibai Navale Medical College and Hospital, the Sinhgad Institute of Management Computer Application, the Sinhgad Institute of Pharmacy, the Dnyanganga College of Engineering and Research etc. TerriersFan (talk) 00:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to University of Pune article, both articles are very short. The College does not grant the degree, which blows the inherent notibility argument. Fee Fi Foe Fum (talk) 00:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If this were actually a degree-granting university, there would be no question but that it should be kept. But as an appendage of the University of Pune, I'm not sure if it should stay. Some universities have articles for their colleges, but many do not. In particular, most universities have only the most notable of their colleges split into their own articles; the rest are covered in the main university page. Might I suggest granting more time before closing this AfD, or even relisting it? I'd like to see these issues addressed, because the stub nature of the article is not enough to determine if the college is that notable to merit its own article. CRGreathouse (t | c) 15:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to a new article at Abhinav Education Society, or failing that keep the article. Merging to University of Pune would be a weak third choice, but it seems to be rather a distinct entity. Also, keeping in mind the directive to combat systemic bias, keeping the article would be a step in the right direction. I propose a merger mainly to avoid articles that seem to have little future outside of stubdom, but I'm not opposed to having this as its own article (if the support and sources are there). CRGreathouse (t | c) 03:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.