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The result was speedy keep. Note that the nominator withdrew in their 6 October 2016 post herein, and no other users have opined for deletion. North America1000 01:19, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
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As far as I can tell, there aren't enough sources to sustain this BLP of a child actor--about half the content is unsourced, and the other half appear to come from trivial mentions (if they mention her at all? in two of four cases it's not clear) better covered in a sentence at the relevant film's page. My searches did not turn up anything more substantial. Meanwhile, I believe a nomination (rather than a win) at NYFCC isn't sufficient for NACTOR or ANYBIO. It seems to me the best solution is to delete and let any reader looking for one of her film appearances find them via mentions of the films themselves that the search engine will bring up (since it's not clear which film would be the obvious redirect _target.) Innisfree987 (talk) 18:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Withdrawn by nominator As I continue to look at the entry, I still think it's a bit thin but it's no longer unreliable, and I do see the value in collecting together some information about the other parts she played after the holiday special series, now that they have been confirmed. Especially since it's been 10 days without anyone else evincing interest in deleting, I'm fine withdrawing rather than ask anyone to spend more time on it. If someone would close, I'd appreciate! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:35, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
- Keep It seems she was the main role in a series of 4 nationally aired TV movies, back when there were only 3 national TV networks, so I find it hard to believe that doesn't meet WP:NACTOR #1: "...significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows...". --GRuban (talk) 16:22, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Do you mean, because the Christmas movie was a series? I appreciate your point about the rather larger significance of network television at that point but I still don't think a series of specials is what NACTOR has in mind; that seems much more like one role in a television series than roles, plural. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:41, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Or a different way to put it is: if we tried to split out the different installments of the Christmas series into separate WP entries, I think there's vanishingly little chance consensus would find them independently wikinotable, i.e. as more than one notable project to meet NACTOR requirement of multiple notable projects. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:54, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- I mean there were multiple films, and in those days, a TV movie on a network was notable. Therefore, significant roles in multiple notable films. --GRuban (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Ah thanks for clarifying--so which four films do you have in mind? I see the Christmas one as one for sure, but it's not so clear to me that there are three more that were notable and in which she had a "significant" role. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:43, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- I meant that those four should suffice. --GRuban (talk) 18:15, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Ah gotcha thanks for all the clarifications! A good-faith disagreement then, I just don't think they are independently wiki-notable. Would be open to seeing sourcing that might show they are; it just doesn't seem like a given to me, and my own searches didn't turn up much. I was searching w/regard to Lucas's name but it was really little more than TV listings, I'm doubtful there's sufficient coverage of the subsequent installments could substantiate them as independently notable. Innisfree987 (talk) 22:13, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- I can give a bit more evidence for my view that the TV movies are notable. First, the movies weren't made from the books. Arguably, the books were made from the movies; the books were specifically written to become the TV specials. [1] Second, they got individual coverage at the time of release; here are multiple non-trivial articles about "The Easter Promise" [2][3][4] Since it's the third of the four, I doubt it is somehow more notable than the second or the fourth; I think we just haven't found the similar news articles about them. But even if it is miraculously the only one, that makes the series sufficiently notable, along with the coverage that the first got. --GRuban (talk) 17:59, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- At this point I'm hoping we'll have some more editors weigh in because I'm just not seeing that this is multiple roles plural in multiple independently notable projects. That said, in the meantime I've gone through and cut out a lot of the unsourced material, so at least we have less to worry about in terms of the entry being unreliable. Still, the continuing research I've done to try to ref up what was there just keeps confirming my impression that this is pretty thin--even when I can find archival mentions of her, they really are just mentions, one sentence devoted to her or not even a whole sentence, just her name in a list. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:56, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- I can give a bit more evidence for my view that the TV movies are notable. First, the movies weren't made from the books. Arguably, the books were made from the movies; the books were specifically written to become the TV specials. [1] Second, they got individual coverage at the time of release; here are multiple non-trivial articles about "The Easter Promise" [2][3][4] Since it's the third of the four, I doubt it is somehow more notable than the second or the fourth; I think we just haven't found the similar news articles about them. But even if it is miraculously the only one, that makes the series sufficiently notable, along with the coverage that the first got. --GRuban (talk) 17:59, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- Ah gotcha thanks for all the clarifications! A good-faith disagreement then, I just don't think they are independently wiki-notable. Would be open to seeing sourcing that might show they are; it just doesn't seem like a given to me, and my own searches didn't turn up much. I was searching w/regard to Lucas's name but it was really little more than TV listings, I'm doubtful there's sufficient coverage of the subsequent installments could substantiate them as independently notable. Innisfree987 (talk) 22:13, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- I meant that those four should suffice. --GRuban (talk) 18:15, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Ah thanks for clarifying--so which four films do you have in mind? I see the Christmas one as one for sure, but it's not so clear to me that there are three more that were notable and in which she had a "significant" role. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:43, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- I mean there were multiple films, and in those days, a TV movie on a network was notable. Therefore, significant roles in multiple notable films. --GRuban (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:01, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:37, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
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