Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quilly (rapper)

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The result was delete. So Why 14:52, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Quilly (rapper)

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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. No awards or charted songs. Trivial mention in online sources. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:33, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no notability and doesn't pass music. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 19:44, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I should note I had created the article over a year ago, although I haven't made any edits in the past year. Subject meets WP:GNG, and was recently on Hot 97, one of the leading hiphop radio stations [1]; He has also been on Power 99's "Cosmic Kev Show" several times over the years [2]. His online print coverage may be considered 'trivial' but his coverage on radio media (aforementioned) is notable and satisfies points #11 and #12 of WP:MUSICBIO. –DA1 (talk) 12:02, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Spotify listed his track "Real One" among the most popular Philadelphia rap songs as reported by Patch Media on July 2015 [3]. The song continues to be played on several stations across the country, based on Mediabase charts [4], pertaining to point #11 of WP:MUSICBIO. The song was also featured on the score to the 2015 film Brotherly Love (citation: film credits) [5]. –DA1 (talk) 22:01, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -#11 and #12 require significant national play. Nothing shows that to be the case.--Rpclod (talk) 02:26, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Rpclod: What about the other references? The track "Real Ones" came out in 2015, and is still listed in playlists for a number of radio stations. Its rotation 2 years earlier was much more significant. Nontheless, Hot 97 is a notable source. XXL [6] and HotNewHipHop [7] have covered him as well. I don't see how that does not satisfy point #1. None of these are self-published, and notable sources (with their own Wikipedia articles to boot). –DA1 (talk) 13:08, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Neither Hot 97 nor HotNewHipHop qualify as reliable sources. XXL is very irregularly published and its editorial oversight is questionable. Even if it is deemed reliable, notability would depend on the articles' content. Insert links to the XXL articles as references in the Wikipedia article if you think the XXL articles support notability.--Rpclod (talk) 19:48, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Rpclod: Why are we conflating Reliablity with WP:Notability? The former pertains to claims being made. The latter is about whether something is notable for an article. If Quilly was on Hot 97, and we can see his video/audio on it, how is its reliability in dispute? Same for the other outlets; no unverifiable claims are being made. Only the question of whether subject is notable. The sources in question are simply coverage of his music. –DA1 (talk) 23:05, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The source must be reliable before it provides any indication of notability. Here the sources referenced are not reliable and hence no notability is supported.--Rpclod (talk) 03:06, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Rpclod: So which Hip hop outlets are considered reliable? There are a lot of articles on Wikipedia citing these alleged unreliable outlets. Including their reviews. And I really don't understand on which basis you're saying Hot 97 cannot be used as a source — to cite an appearance on Hot 97. DA1 (talk) 07:39, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See Identifying reliable sources.--Rpclod (talk) 13:44, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Rpclod: According to WP:MUSIC/SOURCES, AllHipHop and XXL are listed as recommended sources. –DA1 (talk) 16:11, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Note that biographies of living persons are held to a higher standard than most other articles. Assuming that these qualify as "high quality" sources, verifiable cites to significant coverage in those sources is still required.--Rpclod (talk) 20:18, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: To allow more discussion on the sources
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Delete not a notable rapper. Power~enwiki (talk) 02:40, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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