Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shalabam

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shalabam

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Fails WP:NFILM. No reliable reviews from Rediff.com and Sify.com [1]. The only 2 reliable sources are passing mentions. DareshMohan (talk) 06:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and India. -Mushy Yank. 09:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Malayalam films of 2008, a standard solution for articles about released films when cast is notable, content verifiable and the director and writer have no page. Preserves history and can be reverted if sources are found. Thanks (NB- the film is listed there).-Mushy Yank. 10:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mushy Yank The writer do have an article, Madampu Kunjukuttan. — MimsMENTOR ^talk 11:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed! Then redirect to that page might be the best option if Redirect is the past chosen. But as you say below, the page might meet NFIC as being an important part in the career of a notable figure who has played a major part in the production. So Keep! -Mushy Yank. 13:40, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There is nothing in Google search result to show that this passes WP:NFILM. The two sources in the article gave just single mentions each and with nothing in search result, there is nothing to sustain it. Mekomo (talk) 10:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Malayalam films of 2008, as quoted by Mushy Yank...Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 17:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sudheesh#2000s. Lots of evidence that the film exists. The other page List of Malayalam films of 2008 is poor with no sources and that is why redirect to actor's page is more better (imo). RangersRus (talk) 14:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added some refernce links. I don't know whether the notability pass. The Film exists. Had a theater run. Streaming in multiple online platforms now. That is all. --Ranjithsiji (talk) 16:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is a consensus to Redirect but two different _target articles bring proposed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There still has to be a decision between two suggested Redirect _target articles.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:23, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As discussed in many recent AfDs, infomercials have taken over previously responsible media there, so sourcing about a current film in India often just verifies its existence, but does not constitute significant coverage. When this crossover into digital informational dreck occurred was in the 2020s, after this film was released. Bearian (talk) 08:08, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bearian: source 3 and 4 are unreliable WP:ICTFSOURCES and source 1 and 2 have no significant coverage and no multiple reviews. RangersRus (talk) 11:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is but not was true. Indian sources in the past were good. This film was released in 2008. Arguably the Indian media deprecated in the 2010s. Bearian (talk) 14:44, 5 December 2024 (UTC) It’s the Sorites paradox: at which point in time did their media go from being normal to garbage? It’s an arbitrary point. Bearian (talk) 14:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found this video link via Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics, about the deprecation of Indian journalism 9 to 10 years ago. Bearian (talk) 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. We still do not have a consensus on an outcome or the most appropriate Redirect _target article if that is the option chosen.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jayanthkumar123: Are you ok with changing your Redirect to Sudheesh#2000s instead of List of Malayalam films of 2008 that is poor with no sources? RangersRus (talk) 15:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As there are no significant sources, I am ok with the redirect of the page to Sudheesh#2000s. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 06:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Given that the writer of this film, Madampu Kunjukuttan, is a National Award winning Best Screenplay Writer, and the film has been listed among (the writer's) popular, award-winning movies by TOI, as well as the notable cast members being prominent figures in Malayalam cinema, it is reasonable to believe that media coverage of this 2008 film was more reliable and received substantial offline attention at the time. I believe this movie can be considered notable in some respects, even though it doesn't quite measure up to the current WP:NFILM.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 11:16, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.