Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tzolag Hovsepian

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Move to draft. Neither of the people arguing to keep have given any policy-based reasons. -- RoySmith (talk) 10:53, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tzolag Hovsepian

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Article asserts notability ("famous") but I was only able to find this and this, which is insufficient. I can't see this passing WP:ARTIST. GAB^Hello! 13:48, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. Vipinhari || talk 15:14, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. Vipinhari || talk 15:14, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. Vipinhari || talk 15:14, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ - I can find nothing on this man that gives him notability per WP:PERSON. His album of photos has been uploaded at Commons, and there is a Category:Tzolag_Hovsepian video of him explaining in his own language why he is giving these photos to another person to share. However, the above search links and any other search tools I have, come up with no results. There is a listing of his album on WorldCat, but there is no information anywhere to indicate this is anything but a photo album. The uploads on Commons are of good quality, but those uploads don't make him notable enough for a stand-alone article. Too bad, really. — Maile (talk) 15:40, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I found this reference in Armenian wikipedia [1]. After google translating it, the result that he is definitely not famous for being a photographer. Looks like he was quite active in Armenian diaspora, but surely fails WP:CREATIVE. Unless someone brings more Armenian references and redo an article to describe him as Armenian Diaspora activist, it's a Delete. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 15:58, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - for the moment. For the time being, I've struck my "delete", and posted at Talk:WikiProject Armenia, hoping someone reads this over there and can save this article. I think there is more to this photographer, and might be notable if we can get someone conversant in the language to help. — Maile (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I feel kind of bad about nominating without a familiarity with the language. GAB^Hello! 22:49, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - this article must be keptModern Sciences (talk) 05:20, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. With google translating capabilities it's not that hard to find if there is enough information, but in his case I agree that he was mostly active in pre Internet times, so it's not that easy to find information. But as I said above he looks like more belonging to Armenian Diaspora Activism world, than photography, so I emphasize my point that this has to be the article. He may be passing WP:GNG and WP:BIO, but it's a clear fail case for WP:CREATIVE. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 12:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Discussion indicates a desire for more time to consider this. MelanieN (talk) 00:41, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MelanieN (talk) 00:41, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and compromise with Moving To Draft as this is clearly needing further improvements and if there are no improvements soon, this is best removed from mainspace until better work is available. SwisterTwister talk 05:16, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:37, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify - The current article doesn't pass notability criteria, and my searches didn't turn up enough to show that he does either. That said, and with the above comments, someone with better access to foreign search engines might be able to show they do pass. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:55, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.