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Toga movie: spear throwing scene

In one of the many Hollywood movies set in ancient Rome, there is a scene where a person of high standing, possibly a senator, steps out of the capitol building and glances down the steps to find one of his sworn enemies staring back at him. In one smooth motion, the senator grabs a spear (possibly from a guard) and HURLS it downward where it lands squarely in the chest of his foe, who is dead before his knees hit the ground.

Unfortunately I forgot the name of the movie, as well as other details. At most I could say that it was shot c. 1970 +/- 10 years. Can you help me identify this movie?--Goodmorningworld (talk) 02:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

That is vaguely like Ben-Hur...there is an early scene where Ben-Hur and, uh, the other guy innuendofully throw spears at a wall, and later on when they are enemies he throws a spear at him, although he doesn't kill him so maybe that's not it. Adam Bishop (talk) 05:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Spartacus - with Kirk Douglas. Directed by Stanley Kubrick. See the scene it might be here... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP2TuvYBiWM

That's Laurence Olivier and Woody Strode. JK

Song

There is a song sung by a female sounding voice, the song is electronic. A line that repeats at the end (and other parts) is "I'm falling in love for you" or "I'm falling in love with you" or "I'm falling in love to you", in decreasing probability. What is this song and artist?96.53.149.117 (talk) 03:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Rap In Hiphop Song

There is a hiphop/rap song that has trumpeting 2-eighths-then-a-quarter pattern. This pattern is ascending. This this song by T.I.? Who is the artist and the name of this song?96.53.149.117 (talk) 04:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Not that I recognize the song from your description (vague, yet very specific -- that wouldn't happen to be deliberate, would it?), but since you already mention T.I., could it perhaps be one of his songs? You might want to check out YouTube, as you can find a lot of his music over there. and if you spot the song, well, that's one problem solved. -- Captain Disdain (talk) 05:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Jay-Z line from Coldplay's "Lost!"

I was just listening to Coldplay's Lost! with guest vocals by Jay-Z.[1] Just at the break he says the line "suicide, it's a suicide". Now, this line has been used by several other artists, like Snoop Dogg, Fat Joe, Redman etc., and seems to have developed into some kind of meme. Does anybody have any idea what the original source is? Lampman (talk) 09:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

My guess would be KRS-One on his first album Criminal Minded. If I can remember which track it is I'll post it.91.111.84.244 (talk) 09:53, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I've been able to trace it back as far as Ice-T's 1991 "Ricochet" from the movie by the same name. This could have been a reference to "Criminal Minded", since that one came out in 1987, and it would have made sense since Ice-T was a friend of KRS-One. I did a search on the lyrics on that album, however, and couldn't find it in any of the songs. It would have been interesting to know exactly why this phrase went viral. Lampman (talk) 11:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I did some more research, and it turns out you were almost right. Someone asked the same question on Yahoo! Answers, and it turns out it is KRS-One, but from the track "Moshitup" on Just-Ice's album Kool & Deadly (also 1987). Not quite sure why this phrase caught on so badly though, but I guess it's just one of those things... Lampman (talk) 11:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Good work. I knew it was KRS. I'm sure he said it on another tune though as I recognise it well and don't really know the Just Ice tune. Both these rappers use alot of Jamacian Patois in their lyrics and hark back to earlier Reggae sounds so the phrase may have a history there?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.111.84.244 (talk) 12:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Just to explain... On the 'Moshitup' tune KRS sings "Suicide, it's a suicide, biddy-bye-bye!" and on the Criminal Minded album, during the tune The Bridge is Over he sings "The bridge is over, the bridge is over, biddy-bye-bye!" in a very similar style. Hence why I thought it was that album.91.111.84.244 (talk) 19:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Easy mistake to make. I was able to find a reliable source (The A.V. Club) dealing with the question, so now it's no longer just original research, and I can actually use the information in articles. Thanks for your help! Lampman (talk) 21:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Georgy Girl (song)

How could a band like The Seekers make it so big in like 1968? Seriously, there were so many good psychedelic rock bands and stuff at that time, and a simple traditional pop band was getting number ones in the western world?--Veritable's Morgans Board (talk) 16:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

You may as well ask how the New Vaudeville Band had a hit with "Winchester Cathedral", or Esther and Abi Ofarim had a hit with Cinderella Rockefella, both of which are equally execrable. At the time, teenagers weren't the only ones buying records: grannies bought records too you know (we still do!). --TammyMoet (talk) 18:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

You could also note that with the growth in psychedelic rock, a lot of bands like The Beatles, the Beach Boys, The Rolling Stones, etc, had been moving in increasingly musically complex and experimental directions, and there was therefore a vacancy for simple pop music like that the Beatles or Beach Boys had been making in the early 1960s. People have always liked simple pop songs, and there was a gap in the market opening up as the more established artists moved in a different direction.

The article on The Seekers actually explains fairly well how they got popular: a song in a hit film, lots of industry support including legendary British media mogul Lew Grade, shows with big popular bands, good songwriters such as Paul Simon... --Maltelauridsbrigge (talk) 20:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

"Winchester Cathedral" at least has novelty value. —Tamfang (talk) 06:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

People don't all have the same musical taste? I know that one's a shocker, but even Frank Sinatra was still getting #1 songs in the 1960s. Mike H. Fierce! 05:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Doctor Who

Doctor Who has occasionally met other regenerations of himself. Has he ever met his current regeneration? -- SGBailey (talk) 18:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Such a thing is usually said to cause a paradox/the end of the world/psychological trauma/etc. But he did see his current regeneration, they stood just a few feet apart only the second seeing the first and not the other way round, as the Ninth Doctor in the episode "Father's Day". Dismas|^(talk) 19:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

• And (spoiler) the ending of Journey's End might also apply. It's a different Doctor, but basically the same incarnation.. - 87.211.75.45 (talk) 19:02, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Time Crash might be just what you're looking for... 190.157.120.42 (talk) 14:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually no, Time Crash is where he meets a previous regeneration, like The Two Doctors, The Three Doctors or The Five Doctors. Journey's end is a different doctor, a donna-doctor... but the same generation, so I think that Father's day is probably the best answer...-- WORMMЯOW  15:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Day of the Daleks: The Doctor and Jo briefly meet their future selves when the TARDIS console develops a fault. Also The Space Museum perhaps? TARDIS "skips a time track" and Doctor and companions briefly see themselves in the future preserved as exhibits in the museum. - Joe King (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)