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Sandesh9822

07 May 2019

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This case is being reviewed by 1997kB as part of the clerk training process. Please allow him to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on his Talk page or on this page if more appropriate.

Bbb23 thanks, I was suspecting the above users because of cross wiki similarities, not just on enwiki. As संदेश हिवाळे was blocked much before, there might be a less technical information, but they are active on other projects, I guess running CU over there might tell us more, Considering mrwiki and enwiki together there are too many similarities. QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 14:29, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to have a copy of CU data on enwiki for comparison while doing CU on other wikis, can you upload the CU data on CUwiki or send it to me? Thanks. — regards, Revi 05:59, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23: Ping is probably in order, I forgot that. — regards, Revi 15:22, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Revi, I e-mailed you the data.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:09, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Revi: Any updates here? ‐‐1997kB (talk) 03:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
See SRCU. — regards, Revi 03:45, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

05 August 2019

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Possible block evasion, Same creations, similar edits, even use of same links to push POV, everything is same. [users which are similar] and this is a new [user] QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 08:08, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@L235:, it's not a same links but same bloglike websites used as references, like Velivada.com and similar.

See for Diana Peppa Special:Diff/909459429, Special:Diff/909458699, Special:Diff/909458366, Special:Diff/909031220 and For Sandesh Tupsundare Special:Diff/908896848, Special:Diff/907561325 QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 18:04, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

L235, Meanwhile, Please look at [[1]] similarities, where they all have done, same pages, same links, same contents. Some of them are really stale but there is some connection between all of these as. They all have been inserting similar links, similar contents on the same pages. Ambedkar and Dalit articles are their favorite. thanks QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 09:39, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
L235, I will come back with more diffs and evidence in a day or so. thanks QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 10:16, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Edit summary usage which is been a consistent problem with the master and later incarnations Sandesh Vijay Tupsundre Low or no edit summaries. So many of them got warnings around usage of it.
  • Similar usernames, Sandesh/संदेश being common in three accounts, As same as obsession with Ambedkar and Dalit themes.
  • Userbox Ambedkarite editing and usage history shows interesting journey,
  • All the enwiki new pages created by Sandesh Tupsundre are translations/english versions of pages created on mrwiki by User:संदेश हिवाळे including categories. Some of them are linked to wikidata so one can easily check it.
  • Its already shown that Sandesh Tupsundre heavily used velivada and roundtableindia and similar self-published sites as a references. Same links were used by User:संदेश हिवाळे and they still use those links on other projects.
  • Similar and aggressive page moves with Tupsundre, Vijay, Sandesh, संदेश not to say that their page moves were wrong but, same intention of giving official names, all of them have done aggressive page moves out of which some are problematic too.
  • All the accounts can be seen as making edits from their mobile devices, and small-small edits in a series, the way they make modifications in the content is also similar.
  • This is what I could gather in numbers, there is much on the cross wiki level but, on enwiki I just want to stop myself here. I know this is too much to ask or I am adding later on. But this case is connected with the older one QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 17:17, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
L235, Sorry for missing the starting point, here it's the user creation log which clearly tells us that, Sandesh Tupsundre was created by संदेश हिवाळे. Who is already blocked on enwiki for invading topic ban, sockpuppetery and much more. QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 03:51, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]


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19 December 2019

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Account created months after Vijay bramhane (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was blocked.

These accounts are just Ambedkar-SPAs, dedicated to promoting this subject. Vijay brahmhane and Mahi914101 make same edits[2][3], particularly promoting anything "named" after these subjects,[4][5] and the extreme obsession with List of things named after B. R. Ambedkar which is only edited by socks of this sockfarm would also tell enough.[6] Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 12:49, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Should also compare with user Sandesh Tupsundre (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), blocked by L235 as the sock belonging to this SPI.

Another obscure similarity is that these accounts have edited Marathi Wikipedia,[17][18][19] and Hindi Wikipedia.[20][21] Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 05:58, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Cabayi: I hope you will check the new evidence.
  • I was not referring to "B.R. Ambedkar", but "List of things named after B. R. Ambedkar". The top editors of this page are 1) Mahi914101, 2) Sandesh Tupsundre, 3) Vijay bramhane, 4) Mahendramisal. [22] All 4 have been blocked except Mahi914101 who has made 302 edits on this article of his 451 total edits on wikipedia.
  • Pattern of edit summaries are no different of Mahi914101 than other socks of this SPI. Mahendramisal always used edit summaries as well.
  • Mahi914101 and Mahendramisal have used same edit summaries on List of things named after B. R. Ambedkar:
"edited"[23][24]
"edited name"[25][26]
"added new name"[27][28]
And more:
"added new one"[29][30]
"Remove unwanted"[31][32]
"remove unnecessary part"[33][34]
I don't see how Mahi914101 is not related to this sockfarm. Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 18:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vijay_bramhane and Mahi914101 both asked History of Buddhism in India to be changed to Buddhism in India by starting a new section every time.[37][38] Apart from the evidence I have already provided above, I think these two diffs should leave no doubt now per WP:DUCK. Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 20:11, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I want to all of you to look at this log and the account creation log, I can't see it as I don't have permission to see more than this entry but, this information might help us. And when I checked Mahi914101's contributions on mrwiki and hiwiki, those definitely behaviorally match with संदेश हिवाळे's contributions, and it could be another sock of theirs. As they have been doing it periodically on several projects. As requested in the earlier case, cross wiki check or investigation might be helpful. thanks QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 18:51, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
These edits look very similar: [39], [40]. Mahi914101's enthusiasm for List of things named after B. R. Ambedkar, a honey pot for related socks [41], appears indeed suspicious.
User:QueerEcofeminist, Mahi914101 created Ek Mahanayak: Dr. B. R. Ambedkar, B. R. Ambedkar bibliography, Nanasaheb Shendkar on en wp, I wonder if these articles exist on mr wp and if they were created by known socks? JimRenge (talk) 19:50, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
JimRenge, Yes, Bibliography on mrwiki was created by alleged sock-master संदेश_हिवाळे and So Nanasaheb Shendkar. Except Ek Mahanayak which is still not there on mrwiki. But I am sure संदेश_हिवाळे will create it soon. संदेश_हिवाळे happens to be single purpose account and they are doing it violently by abusing other users, reverting them and by all other means. So possibilities of this new account being their sock is high. QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 06:23, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • "extreme obsession with ... B. R. Ambedkar" - B. R. Ambedkar has 2233 editors, 549 watchers, and over 600,000 views in the last two months according to xtools. It seems to be a topic of widespread obsession.
  • The original report focussed on the comparison between Vijay brahmhane and Mahi914101. One consistently failed to leave edit summaries, the other does so religiously. They don't look the same.
  • The follow-up report compares Mahi914101 to Sandesh Tupsundre on the points that
  • they use the same edit summaries, not as each other but as themselves. Isn't that the way the edit page works? You're offered your previous edit summaries to choose from rather than typing a fresh one?
  • they make loads of edits - so would I if I were on a mobile connection, save early, save often.
  • "Another obscure similarity is that these accounts have edited Marathi Wikipedia, and Hindi Wikipedia." So two editors from India are able to contribute in two three of India's 4 most widely spoken languages (and all 3 in the world's top 10).
Sorry, I'm unconvinced. I'll leave the case open on the chance someone more acquainted with the case sees something I don't, but on the evidence presented, I favour closing. Cabayi (talk) 09:32, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

02 January 2020

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Same pages, same edits, everything same, they got active after 4hours of blocking of earlier sock. All their enwiki page creations are masters hiwiki and mrwiki creations. Infact their commons uploads are feeding into categories created by master. 1997kB agrees with me Special:Permalink/933670628#SPI?. QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 15:05, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Which new user in their first 7 edits puts their uploads in proper categories? that too after creating new category themselves.

  • new pages created by them
    • Dr. Ambedkar International Centre : was created by master on mrwiki 2018-02-20 and enwiki by this account 2019-12-08 with the same content being translated in english with same marathi references even same youtube link as references which is so typical of the master, despite of being told several times they include youtube links as references. (Wikidata linked)
    • Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar (2019 TV series) : was created by master on mrwiki Tue, 19 Feb 2019, 09:58:12 (GMT) and on enwiki by this account 2019-11-14, which was further expanded by their earlier sock [[46]] this same page was created on hiwiki by user:Mahi914101 on 2019-11-16. (Wikidata linked)

Other than this, this use of hotcat on such a large scale that too without is not something a new user with 54 edits can do!!! QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 16:41, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  Clerk assistance requested:. The master has been renamed to Sandesh9822. Please move and retag.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:22, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Sro23 (talk) 02:55, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Clerk endorsed - Probably worth a look to confirm. TheSandDoctor Talk 10:04, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Unrelated.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:05, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @QueerEcofeminist: could you give some specific diffs that demonstrate "Same pages, same edits, everything same"? I tried to verify, "All their enwiki page creations are masters hiwiki and mrwiki creations", but the pages on hi and mr have non-English titles, so I can't even match them up. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:13, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the additional information. I've blocked and tagged Prashant1308, and I'm working my way through their contributions to see which ones WP:G5 apply to. We appreciate the report, but if you file future reports, please be more explicit about evidence. Links to exact diffs really make our work easier. In fact, you mention, they got active after 4hours of blocking of earlier sock; I can't even tell which sock you're talking about. You've gone to the effort to figure this stuff out, share with us what you've found! -- RoySmith (talk) 17:53, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
RoySmith, Sure I will keep that in mind from next time onwards. thanks QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 06:13, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

28 February 2020

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New accounts, making similar changes to same article of B.R. Ambedkar to this sockfarm. See this and compare with this new account. Suryakant Sadu came up with more praises but seems fishy enough. Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 09:40, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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25 July 2020

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Now socks with only IP addresses. Compare this edit with this edit. Shashank5988 (talk) 15:20, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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25 July 2020

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As pointed about an IP belonging to this person above, same deep interest in falsifying results of a poll in favor of Ambedkar.[47][48][49] Shashank5988 (talk) 16:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • What I found really suspicious between this account and this sockfarm is that both are adding pictures on "Legacy" section on Ambedkar's article[50][51] Shashank5988 (talk) 13:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Shashank5988, This case should be worked on meta as, there is no enough data to check with the master or other socks which were confirmed with the master. But I am sure there is enough behavioral data to say, that User:भारतभूषण प्रकाश नरंदेकर is related to User:Sandesh9822. for example, There interests remains Ambedkar and Dalit related pages. Commons uploads of [प्रकाश नरंदेकर] are exact identical to the Sandesh9822's earlier uploads even the categories which were added in their first 6 edits on the commons are created by alleged sock. I can go on finding similarities like this. But thats all is crosswiki. So I am not sure how helpful it is going to be here. QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 16:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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26 November 2020

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Sukeshani:

Without a doubt.[52][53]   Looks like a duck to me.

भारतभूषण प्रकाश नरंदेकर:

He is also a new user who shares the same interest in the same obscure articles as this user.[54][55] Both interested in moving Ambedkar University Delhi. [56][57] Similarly, both have also provided updates in the same way on Talk:B. R. Ambedkar regarding their addition to the article.[58][59]   Looks like a duck to me. Srijanx22 (talk) 05:37, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Similar and aggressive page moves with Tupsundre, Vijay, Sandesh, संदेश not to say that their page moves were wrong but, same intention of giving official names, all of them have done aggressive page moves out of which some are problematic too.

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Here the case was filed but as there is no technical data available for the alleged master on enwiki and all the behavioural evidence is cross wiki. thanksQueerEcofeminist[they/them/their] 02:32, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can we request some steward who can perform CU on mrwiki and enwiki(given the fact that they have access to CU even here!) both and then compare the data? is it possible technically and at policy level? Sorry if I am pushing or asking too much! I just want to know possibilities to solve such difficult cases. And given the personal attacks by Sandesh on me at meta, I should refrain from commenting here, now onwards but these were just last thoughts which I wanted to think loud. thanks QueerEcofeminist[they/them/their] 17:26, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The behavioral evidence above makes it clear that these accounts are being operated by same person as a part of their long term block evasion. The account creation date and repetition of same edits is convincing enough. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 07:23, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  •   Clerk note: I took a look and can't really tell if this is socking or just multiple people with similar interests. I suggest we just wait for the investigation on meta to run its course. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:03, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Which didn't happen. So I'm not sure where that leaves us. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:05, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @RoySmith: If it helps Sukeshani and भारतभूषण प्रकाश नरंदेकर are   Possilikely (a mix between possible and likely) bordering on   Likely to each other and   Possible to Sandesh9822. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:33, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Callanecc, Sigh. I just ran through all this again, and I'm not sure. Looking at the evidence provided here, we have: "Without a doubt.[60][61]". At first glance, yeah, it's both users inserting the same text. But, one of the edits is a semi-automated undo, so it's not actually like both users wrote that text; one just hit a button to bring it back. So not much weight there.
    Looking at their style of writing, they're all fluent in English, yet with subtle idiomatic inflections that tell me they're not from the US. Which describes many millions of educated people in India. They all use mobile. Which, again, describes pretty much everybody in India. And the overlap in topics, I really can't tell if they're just popular topics, or if it's really significant that they're all drawn to those.
    A lot of the evidence above is on other wikis. That doesn't carry much weight here.
    So, based on behavior alone, I suspect socking, but that's all. Even with a "bordering on likely" CU finding, I just can't quite get all the way to blocking. Also, neither of the suspected socks has edited in the past 3-5 weeks, so I'm not seeing any urgency in blocking to prevent ongoing disruption. I'm going to close this with no action taken. If they start to edit disruptively again, we can take another look. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:35, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

24 May 2021

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भारतभूषण_प्रकाश_नरंदेकर is Sandesh9822 but was given leeway by RoySmith during the last SPI.[62] This is why I am filing this here.

Given भारतभूषण_प्रकाश_नरंदेकर has been warned,[63] he won't be adding the controversial content to the article.

Instead, newly registered Thousand head Ravan is now gatekeeping this article and edit warring in same style.

  • Thousand head Ravan: "restoring content that was deleted by Aman Kumar Goel and did not remove his content because much of Ambedkar's criticism was directed at Hinduism while he made it completely against other religions and The references were not chosen at random. He also deleted the paragraph on Hindutva Fascism. Aman kumar goel introduces cherry-picked material at the same time. Please, Aman kumar Goel, do not support Hindutva's nazi ideology. Some admin look at this"[64]
  • भारतभूषण_प्रकाश_नरंदेकर: This is not a puffery version so wiki community consensus is required to remove any text from it. Now, again user:Aman.kumar.goel had removed the edits of several users without giving a "proper" reason and without common "consent". Removing references/ sources, content/text, categories, external links, templates, statues info, wiki page links, spelling corrections, recently added works, other corrected info etc., are not all "puffery language or version". Constantly you have deleted a large text[65]

This disruptive use of edit summary for discussion and attacking same user (which is Aman Kumar Goel) can't be common.

Other article edited by Thousand head Ravan,[66] is also edited by socks familiar to this SPI.[67][68] Shivkarandholiya12 (talk) 07:30, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I have no idea why do it needs to be sandesh everytime when a vandalizer disrupts with Ambedkar or similar topics. Sandesh had a bad past where he has learnt from his mistakes. He has never disrupted his home wiki at Marathi. Feels bad that every sock is blamed to be him. Many of past SPI are negative or likely but not confirmed to Sandesh. No idea when this will stop --✝iѵɛɳ२२४०†ลℓк †๏ мэ 13:54, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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