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Christmas DYK sets

A. krampus living in Brazil

With Christmas just over four weeks away, I think this is a good time to ask: does DYK want to do sets for Christmas Eve and Christmas Day?

If yes, here are some potential hooks that can be used:

• Template:Did you know nominations/Pflaumentoffel: Food, needs a review
• Template:Did you know nominations/The Christmas Invasion: TV, currently in Prep 6 at SOHA
• Template:Did you know nominations/HMT Night Hawk: Ship, Approved SOHA

In addition, these articles are at WP:GAN and could potentially be used as Christmas hooks:

• Pioneer Courthouse Square Christmas tree: Tree
• Norwegian Christmas Tree in Washington, D.C.: Tree

Thoughts about creating this set are welcome below. Z1720 (talk) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Excellent idea. I did actually see the Christmas Invasion in prep and wondered why it wasn't being saved. Pinging @DoctorWhoFan91, Piotrus, DimensionalFusion, Thriley, and Grimes2: who are involved with the first two noms. (I've been putting off expanding Piri & Tommy for over a year and they did a track called "Christmas Time" if that's of any use?)--Launchballer 15:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Nominate it when its ready: if we decide not to use it for this set, the article will still be better. Z1720 (talk) 16:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

It's fine with me - I can review any new XMAS hook if pinged. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: I'm not really familiar with DYK- should I add somewhere that it should be saved for Christmas (I will read the instructions to DYK more comprehensively later). @Z1720: Great idea. Also, I'm working on another Christmas special- if it gets nominated and passed by then, I can nominate that for DYK too. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 11:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

No, what someone needs to do is pull the nom, leave a note, and put it in WP:SOHA. I've done that.--Launchballer 11:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• I'm planning to do a nativity painting. Johnbod (talk) 01:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Christmas hooks should go into the "Special occasions" section at the bottom of the WP:DYKN page. Thanks guys! Gatoclass (talk) 14:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Actually, they should go into the "Special occasions" section at the top of the WP:DYKNA page (direct link: WP:SOHA), and only once they're approved. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

While not a "Christmassy" hook, it would be nice if Template:Did you know nominations/HMT Night Hawk could run on Christmas Day for the 110th anniversary of her sinking - Dumelow (talk) 20:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Dumelow: Since the hook mentions Christmas, I think it is appropriate for the set. It will also help us diversity the setZ1720 (talk) 01:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I can work up an article on a Brazilian Krampus species.--Kevmin § 17:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Did you know nominations/Dickinson pumpkin. I just made a Christmas hook for this. Thriley (talk) 21:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
• Template:Did you know nominations/Austrosphecodes krampus the "Krampus" hook is live and nominated .--Kevmin § 20:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Template:Did you know nominations/Adoration of the Magi in the Snow, a stunning Bruegel painting with pic, is now ready for review. Johnbod (talk) 19:36, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Now reviewed, needs promoting & moving. Johnbod (talk) 03:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• If anyone is looking for a Christmas article, I started Draft:Alvin Greenman. He played Alfred the janitor in Miracle on 34th Street known for his "Make a buck. Make a buck" critique of Christmas commercialism. Thriley (talk) 21:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Is there a reason why Revelation of the Magi was already promoted instead of being held for Christmas? Or to be more appropriate, not held until Epiphany? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Pulled.--Launchballer 17:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Wouldn't mind if Template:Did you know nominations/Christmas: A Biography runs on Christmas Eve if the Christmas Day prep is full. ミラP@Miraclepine 17:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I've just approved Template:Did you know nominations/National Gingerbread House Competition which might be nice to run in the holiday season - Dumelow (talk) 09:54, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

• I nominated Template:Did you know nominations/Mark Hearld and Template:Did you know nominations/Christmas carp for Christmas Eve/Christmas Day. Thriley (talk) 23:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  Just came by to note that I have made a backup hook for Mark Hearld during my review if it's not done by Christmas Eve or Day. Thriley, the rules recommend not doing special occasion hooks within a week of the planned date. Two to three weeks should be enough. ミラP@Miraclepine 00:28, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Two sets?

I just noticed this proposal was for two special sets. I think that's excessive. One would be plenty. RoySmith (talk) 17:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Not at all, the more the merrier. Assuming we have more than enough for one set that is. And they don't all have to be run on Christmas Day, they can be split over Christmas Eve/Christmas Day or even Boxing Day or New Year's Day and so on, depending on their relevance. Gatoclass (talk) 12:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Christmas Cantata for 26 December

Bach first performed Christum wir sollen loben schon, BWV 121 on 26 December 1724. I hope for a DYK on that day. I had to make it GA, which happened but later than I wanted, I nominated for DYK even before that happened, the review began right away, and today it was approved. - The set (Prep 2) is full. Any chance? Because any other day would look strange to an observant audience ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

There probably shouldn't be a sugar hook next to a vitamin hook, so I've made a hole in prep. I'll assess the cantata in the morning.--Launchballer 00:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I see @AirshipJungleman29: beat me to it.--Launchballer 11:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

(ec) Thank you, and it is already in prep 2, thanks to AirshipJungleman29, who took ALT1b: ... that on 26 December 1724, Bach led the first performance of Christum wir sollen loben schon, BWV 121, based on a hymn that Luther (pictured) had derived 200 years earlier from "A solis ortus cardine"?, and then dropped the end.

I am glad! Having said that, I wonder if some "derived" makes any sense if not saying from what. Teach me English. In this case it is a hymn that was already 1000 years old when Luther derived, 1200 years when Bach wrote, and is now 1500 years. Interesting, I think. Ideas? I thought that just linking to it was the most neutral way. - As for Bach's name: I believe that many readers would know who is meant by Bach even without a link. A link can serve those who don't, but the full name just takes space. (The Salzburg Festival, dedicated to the works by Mozart, never writes Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, just W. A. Mozart.) In 2010 and 2011, we had an almost weekly DYK about Bach's cantatas (because he composed them weekly for 2+ years), and most hooks just said Bach without a link (see Christmas 2011)). - Please reserve space on 1 January, Jesu, nun sei gepreiset, BWV 41 is already nominated for GA, - a review would help ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Derived can be used in this context. I agree with your suggestion about just using Bach's last name. I also now realise that Luther's derivation was done in 1524, which is exactly 500 years ago and should probably be highlighted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:14, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Prep 2

FoodPharmer

• I reviewed this, and thus another pair of eyes is needed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Not happy with the use of unattributed quotes, particularly for a stuff that very clearly isn't a health drink. I propose trimming everything after "pictured" to "once shamed Bournvita into reducing its sugar" or somesuch.--Launchballer 12:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Have rephrased.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Bournvita was marketed in India as a "children's health drink" at the time of the video, and was the very reason the video was made. I do have sources that can be added to back up the claim:

• https://www.deccanherald.com/business/companies/bournvita-is-no-longer-a-health-drink-all-you-need-to-know-about-centres-decision-2977615
• https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/cons-products/food/bournvita-other-brands-to-lose-health-drink-status/articleshow/109276438.cms?from=mdr
• https://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/government-directs-e-commerce-firms-to-remove-bournvita-and-other-drinks-from-health-drinks-category/article68062208.ece
• https://www.livemint.com/news/india/what-led-cadbury-bournvita-lose-its-health-drink-tag-all-you-need-to-know-mondelez-added-sugar-ncpcr-revant-himatsingka-11713015106902.html

—CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 16:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, I've updated Bournvita's article with appropriate references. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 17:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

IMAX Melbourne

• I was part of the review - new eyes needed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Second opinion needed

Hi, could we get a second opinion on Template:Did you know nominations/The Heart Knows its Own Bitterness (Talmud)? There's been some changes since my review, and I would like to move this forward with a yay or nay. Viriditas (talk) 20:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Took a look and left a few comments. Rjjiii left a few good comments as well. Andre🚐 01:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Older nominations needing DYK reviewers

The previous list was archived about twelve hours ago, so I've created a new list of all 24 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through December 15. We have a total of 310 nominations, of which 223 have been approved, a gap of 87 nominations that has increased by 11 over the past 7 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

More than one month old

• November 1: Template:Did you know nominations/Tel al-Sultan attack
• November 4: Template:Did you know nominations/Clifton House School (two articles)
• November 4: Template:Did you know nominations/Pro-Fatimid conspiracy against Saladin
• November 5: Template:Did you know nominations/Gohobi
• November 7: Template:Did you know nominations/Organization of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
• November 9: Template:Did you know nominations/The Heart Knows its Own Bitterness (Talmud) (second opinion requested)
• November 10: Template:Did you know nominations/Hold Your Hand (film)
• November 17: Template:Did you know nominations/Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani
• November 19: Template:Did you know nominations/2019 NFC Divisional Playoff game (Seattle–Green Bay)
• November 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Renildo José dos Santos
• November 22: Template:Did you know nominations/Sugya

Other nominations

• November 26: Template:Did you know nominations/Family Stress Model
• November 29: Template:Did you know nominations/Hefker
• December 3: Template:Did you know nominations/2024 attack on the Bangladesh Assistant High Commission in India
• December 5: Template:Did you know nominations/Josie Brown Childs
• December 11: Template:Did you know nominations/Monica Smit (second opinion requested)
• December 12: Template:Did you know nominations/Mahra Al Maktoum
• December 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Adam Sapi Mkwawa
• December 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Corinne Rey-Bellet
• December 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Tarif-i Husain Shahi
• December 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Les Purce
• December 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Waterloo Column
• December 15: Template:Did you know nominations/The Man in the Yellow Tie
• December 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Daniel Hermann (humanist)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 02:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Queue 2

Planting a Rainbow

I reviewed this originally, so somebody else needs to look at it. RoySmith (talk) 20:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• I looked at it. Didn't see any issues. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Alien: Romulus

@Nineteen Ninety-Four guy, Lankyant, and Ippantekina: The use of quotes in the hook ("resurrected") implies this is a direct quote from someplace, but that doesn't appear in the article. I note that MOS:SCAREQUOTES was featured in today's WP:ERRORS, and that applies equally well here. RoySmith (talk) 20:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Sigh. Fix ping. RoySmith (talk) 20:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Resurrect and cognates of it are used in headlines in sources. The means are well cited in #Cast. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  If it shows up in WP:ERRORS when it runs, I will ping you to defend our honor :-) RoySmith (talk) 21:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Prep 4

Kwan Man-ching

• One of mine; need a second pair of eyes. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• I promoted to queue and checked this article: no concerns. Z1720 (talk) 17:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Other

• I'm seeing three sport-related biographies. Anyone mind if we shuffle 'em a bit? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• I flipped John Mascarenhas to prep 7 and Shalom Nagar to Prep 4. Z1720 (talk) 17:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Prep 5

Ceechynaa +1

• I reviewed, so another pair of eyes needed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll look at Bernard Gray when I've eaten. Looking at this now, I wonder if it's worth tightening the hook slightly, e.g. "that a reviewer identified an "audible contempt" for men in the songs of Ceechynaa, who entered the UK singles chart earlier this month with "Peggy"?--Launchballer 18:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• I've updated it in queue.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Vitamin E

• Hook fact is not immediately followed by a source. Also, citing a first to a primary source seems iffy... should be a secondary source. Pinging David notMD, User:PixDeVl, and AirshipJungleman29. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

The hook fact, in the Lead and in the History section, is now followed by the Evans 1936 reference. The ref is also used after the next sentence in the History section, which attributes the suggestion to the name of a Greek scholar in a footnote on page 321. David notMD (talk) 20:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Care to explain this edit @Darth Stabro:?--Launchballer 21:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, it must have been an accidental misclick of the rollback button. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 21:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Puff-puff (onomatopoeia)

• Just going to note here that this was previously re-reviewed by Launchballer, and I am accepting that re-review as a second set of eyes. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Bernard Gray (Sunday Pictorial journalist)

• I reviewed, so another pair of eyes needed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Looks good to me.--Launchballer 21:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Chernobyl Reactors 5 and 6

• I've tagged this with {{lead too short}}. Pinging Bollardant, Hawkeye7, and Hilst. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  That is an cleanup template and not a dispute template, so it does not affect DYK. (WP:DYKCOMPLETE) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  Hi Hawkeye7, as per the summary at the top of Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines, "maintenance templates" is a valid issue. It also falls afoul of the first sentence of DYK:COMPLETE: "There is a expectation that an article—even a short one—that is to appear on the front page should appear to be reasonably complete and not some sort of work in progress." — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  The lead of any page is absolutely forbidden to have anything in it that is not covered in the body. So that sentence has its definition of "maintenance templates" in WP:DYKCOMPLETE. If there is disagreement, then I can remove it from the lead without further ado. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Hawkeye7: is it forbidden for the lead to have anything in it that is not covered in the body? MOS:LEADCITE says the lead usually repeats information that is in the body. TSventon (talk) 11:35, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  Not an issue for an article, because anything that is unreferenced can be removed. In this case we are not referring to an article, but a Template:Nutshell for an admin page, and this template presents a concise summary. If it is not a summary of what is in the body, then it is wrong, and must be removed from the nutshell forthwith. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:56, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Queue 6

Phoebe Plummer, Christopher Hehir, Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest

• ... that Phoebe Plummer was "unfortunate" to draw Christopher Hehir as judge when she stood trial over the Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest?

@Launchballer, Folkezoft, Crisco 1492, and AirshipJungleman29: The quote from the source is "Unfortunately for them, they got Judge Christopher Hehir." Some editors at ERRORS might have issue with the word change, so perhaps one of the below would be better:

• ALT1: ... that Phoebe Plummer "unfortunately" drew Christopher Hehir as judge when she stood trial over the Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest?

• ALT2: ... that, in describing Phoebe Plummer's trial for her actions in the Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest, one reporter said she "unfortunately" drew Christopher Hehir as judge?

Thoughts? Z1720 (talk) 17:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I've changed the spelling of "unfortunatly" to "unfortunately" in both ALT hooks, and fixed the apostrophe-s template in ALT2. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:21, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I was under the impression that "unfortunately" --> "unfortunate" was covered by MOS:SIC, although now I don't see anything about adverbs in it. (I could have sworn the approved hook had the bold links in a different order?) In any event, all of the hooks are wrong; Plummer uses "they/them" pronouns.--Launchballer 04:38, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Michael O'Kane

• ... that Michael O'Kane never received approval to begin constructing a building for the College of the Holy Cross?

@Ergo Sum, Chaiten1, and Hilst:

While the article talks about how O'Kane was ordered to halt construction, I cannot find where it states that the building never received approval, including that it did not receive retroactive approval. Z1720 (talk) 17:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

SpongeKnob SquareNuts

• ... that SpongeBob has an existential crisis in a porn parody?

@Di (they-them) @Tails Wx @Hilst Doesn't this hook as currently written not meet WP:DYKFICTION? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I guess not. Maybe we could go with "... that SpongeKnob SquareNuts, a porn parody of SpongeBob SquarePants, has been described as 'like a train crash that you just can't look away from'?" or "... that the costume for the titular SpongeKnob SquareNuts character consisted of a box and a condom?". – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 11:22, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Both of these alternatives are fine with me. Di (they-them) (talk) 14:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

The idea I had was actually something like "... that SpongeBob has a porn parody?", but I guess we can have another reviewer decide. Not sure if the other proposals fail WP:DYKGRAT or not (maybe they don't and I'm just being too conscious or conservative), but I guess that's also up to the reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

That also works. Di (they-them) (talk) 14:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I changed it to the "box and a condom" hook because I thought that was the most interesting. Others are welcome to suggest changes or advocate for another hook. Z1720 (talk) 17:52, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I think that the use of the word "titular" feels odd in this sentence and it's not clear if the sentence is referring to the character or the film. Might I suggest tweaking the wording?

"... that a SpongeBob costume used in the film SpongeKnob SquareNuts consisted of a box and a condom?"

Di (they-them) (talk) 19:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

+1

I used titular because I had just woken up and my brain works very poorly in the morning :V – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 19:56, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

It's already in Queue, so a sysop will need to swap with the new wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:04, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Are we sure this is notable? I don't see any of the sources in the article making a particularly compelling case for a GNG pass... theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:43, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

12-hour sets?

WP:DYKNA currently has over 130 approved noms. Should we start doing 12-hour sets? – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 11:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

This was discussed at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 202#Approaching 12-hour backlog mode? and Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 203#WP:DYKUBM and the consensus was that we start when there are seven filled queues.--Launchballer 13:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Alright, good to know. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 13:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

If two more preps are promoted in the next 20 hours—we have five queues filled and need seven—we will switch to 12-hour sets after midnight and continue for three days, after which we switch back. We actually have over 200 approved noms (202 to be precise): the 133 that are counted in the table, and another 69 that aren't transcluding on the Approved page and therefore aren't counted by the bot as being approved, because the bot can only count transcluded noms. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

If this does happen, then my #Ceechynaa +1 hook will need to move. I put in a request that it run on the 29th, her birthday.--Launchballer 04:43, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Queue 7

Diddy parties

@Crisco 1492, No Swan So Fine, and Darth Stabro: I'm concerned about the WP:BLP aspects of this. It also looks like the credit template got lost. RoySmith (talk) 02:58, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• I've fixed the credit template. I think the move wreaked havoc on it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:07, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

De Worsten van Babel

@Hilst, Bogger, and Figureskatingfan: the article doesn't mention "espresso". RoySmith (talk) 03:09, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

fixed. - Bogger (talk) 08:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)