Talk:female genital mutilation

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female genital mutilation

Sum of parts. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:51, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Very strong delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:07, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Shoudn't female circumcision be deleted by the same logic? The consensus on wikipedia is that "female genital mutilation" is the acurate name for this practise; see talk page of Female genital mutlation. Pass a Method (talk) 12:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

No, because we deal with words and terms, not concepts. You're confusing us with Wikipedia. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:44, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

For example we allow midget but not short person, though they refer to the same concept.

Of course they don't. My sister is quite a short person, but she's not a midget. Ƿidsiþ 11:25, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

• Keep. I don't think it's SOP. Labia piercing is also a form of [[female]] [[genital]] [[mutilation]], but it's not [[female genital mutilation]]. —Angr 12:46, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
• Strong keep FGM is the standard term though in medical textbooks as far as i'm aware. It is not a sum of parts. Pass a Method (talk) 12:49, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

  So keep FGM and delete this. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

  No, they are synonymous terms and are both used. Pass a Method (talk) 14:43, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

  See midget and short person above! Mglovesfun (talk) 18:03, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Delete. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 16:47, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

• Keep, specific set term. Ƿidsiþ 18:27, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

So is under pressure. We don't say below pressure or underneath the pressure although we could. Delete. --Hekaheka (talk) 18:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Set in what way? Since it refers to the mutilation of the genitals of a female, it isn't going to be called white horse painting now is it? Mglovesfun (talk) 21:42, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, it used to be called female circumcision. Do you think that should be deleted too? Don't you think it would be good to show when this term first started being used? And in what contexts? A tattoo or a piercing on the genitals are not FGM, it's a specific thing. Ƿidsiþ 11:32, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

• Delete as obvious SOP —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 20:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

If the title was "female nipple removal" or something i might agree. But in this case it is regarding a traditional practise in some third world commuities and FGM and its non-abbreviation form are the closest English equivalent. Thus its not obviously an SOP Pass a Method (talk) 20:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Burying corpses is also a traditional practise, but we are not going to create corpse burying. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 20:49, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

A poor analogy, since almost no one talks about "corpse burying", whereas people regularly talk about female genital mutilation. Ƿidsiþ 11:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Strong delete. Being a hot sociopolitical topic doesn't stop it being transparent SoP: no more or less than mutilation of female genitals, regardless of where done or by whom. Equinox ◑ 20:57, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

But it is less than that. It doesn't mean any mutilation of the female genitals, it is the term for a specific cultural practice, which used to be called female circumcision. (I mean, you could use it to describe any mutilation of the female gentials, in the same way that you could call me a CD player if I played CDs at a party, but it's not what's normally meant by the term.) Ƿidsiþ 11:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this should be kept or not, but the definition appears to be slightly lacking. It says "The complete amputation or partial cutting of the external female genitalia," but Wikipedia says "all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia, or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons." I think that at least "non-medical reasons" is a critical part of this. Also, I don't know that our definitions of mutilation quite cover this. They say: "1. To physically harm as to impair use, notably by cutting off or otherwise disabling a vital part, such as a limb. 2. To destroy beyond recognition." One of the types Wikipedia cites is type IV "with type IV being "cutting into the vagina to widen it (gishiri cutting), and introducing corrosive substances to tighten it." Is "physically harming the female genitalia so as to impair use" and/or "cutting off or otherwise disabling a vital part of the female genitalia" equivalent to type IV ? --BB12 (talk) 21:47, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I think "non-medical reasons" is inherent in the word, mutilation. bd2412 T 00:27, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but it should be in the definition. The definition has to carry the meaning of the word being looked up :) --BB12 (talk) 03:28, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Strong delete. --WikiTiki89 00:30, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Keep. It usually means a specific cultural tradition and it is often contracted to FGM. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 03:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

• Comment I think good equivalents are nocturnal penile tumescence or assisted reproductive technology. They are also composed of three words, but is the standard usage. All three are not SOP's.Pass a Method (talk) 09:42, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Keep. Medical and cultural term defined in Merriam-Webster, medical dictionaries. It has a common abbreviation FGM (as above), borrowed verbatim into Japanese. The synonym - female circumcision is the opposite of circumcision, implying "male circumcision". From all parts female, genital and mutilation one can't get what that actually means. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 11:50, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Keep. The arguments in favor of keeping have swayed me. --BB12 (talk) 21:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

• Keep. This is a set phrase, much the same as traditional Chinese medicine or human resource management. ---> Tooironic (talk) 02:19, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

• Keep. WHO defines female genital mutilation as "all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia, or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons." That's a specific, restrictive meaning, despite the open-ended and sometimes subjective nature of the word mutilation. A labial piercing might be considered "mutilation" of the female genitals by some people, as might female-to-male gender reassignment surgery, but nether are included under the umbrella of the term "female genital mutilation" (probably because piercings are done at the woman's consent and generally not permanent, and gender reassignment surgery is done by consent and for medical reasons). Astral (talk) 12:22, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

• Keep per Astral. Smurrayinchester (talk) 18:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Keep per Astral. DAVilla 06:00, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

kept clearly passes the lemming test as per WT:IDIOM -- Liliana • 17:11, 18 April 2013 (UTC)