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::[[User:Dlohcierekim]] - Yes. The piece that I PROD'd was a placeholder, with no substantive content, only an infobox. I hate infobox-only placeholders, but that isn't important. The version after the PROD was a puff piece for Gaiter, and I deleted the puffery, and marked it unreviewed. There is a bug in the reviewed status, in my opinion, that an article is marked as reviewed if it is originally tagged for deletion, and either the author or someone else then removes the deletion tag. It is then marked as reviewed because of the action of the reviewer who tagged it, even though their action was then reverted. In my opinion, this is a bug, and a serious bug, because it can be and is used in bad faith. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon#top|talk]]) 03:00, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
::I just wanted to let you know 'cause I think it'll wind up at AfD, and wanted to keep you in the loop. I like the way you trmmed it down. [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 12:09, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
== Guidelines for draftification ==
Hello, Robert_McClenon.
Do you recall that [[Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_5#Request_for_Clarification_About_Moving_to_Draft|here]] you wrote <blockquote>"I agree that guidelines for draftification are in order, and that it should be an option for New Page reviewers for new pages, rather than being available arbitrarily. I will comment more with 24 to 36 hours. ... Robert McClenon (talk) 05:27, 26 April 2017 (UTC)"</blockquote>
Firstly, I wish to apologise again for the kneejerk backhand insult I gave you, in response a request for deletion of a draftified page. By way of explanation, I did not then appreciate the quality of your reputation in NPR, and there was a previously history of others more questionably, inappropriately, draftifying things as a means for quiet backdoor deletion.
On further reveiw and reflection, I think it is definitely a good idea that NP reviewers should have the personal discretion to draftify pages that under-done for mainspace. I would like to help in drafting guidelines for draftification. Do you have further comments beyond what you wrote in that thread?
I am also drafting a proposal for a DRAFT-PROD process, whereby any two NPP-qualified reviewers in agreement that a draft is "less than promising" (to be elaborated) will see the draft deleted without further review. It would be essential for this process to be in line with the thresholds and wording for the draftification guidelines. Drafts need an easier deletion process, but easier deletion of drafts means that it is important that mainspace pages are only draftified in accordance with reasonable guidelines.
--[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 05:26, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
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