User talk:Khoikhoi/Archived

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Block

I'm still curious why you decided that I deserved a block when I made three edits a while back at the list of best-selling video games article because I edit warred often and have violated 3RR in the past, but did not find it fit to block InShaneee for the same thing considering he edit wars often and violated 3RR in the past.

Please respond, thank you. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

But you didn't block me for that. You blocked me for gaming the system - if you had indeed blocked me for making four reverts, you would have simply blocked me for making four reverts. YOu may not believe that what I did was 3RR, gaming the system or not gaming the system, but I was not blocked for that. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I seem to be confused - InShaneee made as many reverts in an edit war as he possibly could without it being a clear violation of 3RR, and then reported someone else for violating 3RR. I do believe that that would be gaming the system, especially considering the user has, on many different occasions, participated in edit wars where he did as many reverts as he could do. Am I to assume that those actions are appropriate? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The fact that he has not been blocked for 3RR does not mean that he has not violated 3RR. Besides the fact that edit warring and just barely not crossing the "definite 3RR violation" line, and reporting people for 3RR when you are edit warring is a blockable offense, and besides the fact that you don't have to break a bigger rule in 3RR to be blocked if you constantly violate a lower rule. But let's get to the point. Am I to assume that if I show you a violation by InShaneee of the 3RR rule - and since you don't think that edit warring is quite so serious even though he edit wars constantly which is disruptive which is a blockable offense, I'll only consider the time he made four reverts. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[1] A clear violation of 3RR. Even though it is not necessary to show that he has violated 3RR, since edit warring is bad and he has done it many other times. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It mentions user pages only. And regardless, that only for maintaining their page. You can't remove warnings from your user talk page. Why is it that ignoring a user and assuming that the user is acting in bad faith NOT disruptive to the Wikipedia process, especially considering the sole purpose of the discussion is for the sake of working something out on an article?

By the way - are you trying to make it seem like you're trying to find any good reason to not block him? Because you're doing a Helluva job. Explain to me why 3RR - which says edit warring is a blockable offense - is wrong because you decided that InShaneee did nothing wrong (or at the very least, his status protects him). Edit warring is as much a part of 3RR as making four reverts is. four reverts is not some arbitrary number - it's to set the "definitely do not pass this limit" limit. Making three reverts is still disruptive, and for a user who has edit warred as much as InShaneee has, he most certainly does not deserve a walk for edit warring - especially when the user is edit warring to keep his RfC closed. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[2]

[3]

[4]

[5] - note how he blocked me for reverting an edit on my user talk page and called it trolling. That more or less revokes his right to revert legitimate edits from his user talk page. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

And I need to provide a second RECENT edit war to make a block valid? Why is proving that he has a history of edit warring and proving that he still eidt wars not enough? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

That would be great, but the biggest worry about your actions was that you didn't even so much as put a warning on his user talk page (which is long overdue), even though you know that he did do an edit war. And the fact that he was nominated for - I assume - having a great understanding of Wikipedia and its policies worries me that he edit wars even though 3RR says it's bad (a fact that is unknown to many users, but should not be so for administrators). He should be held to a higher standard than a regular user, but doesn't seem to be. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Personal Attack and Uncivility of user Anonimu

In the Communist Romania article User Anonimu after reverting the article to fit his POV added in Romanian a message for other users:

"luati'mi pula la frecat"

which means "Take my cock out and rub it".

This is not the first time Anonimu ressorts to personal attacks, he did in the past on the discussion page of the Romania article, archive 4, "the deleted fragment" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Romania/Archive_4#The_deleted_fragment) when again in Romanian said:

"o sa bag toti mafiotii ca tine din tara care au furat din averea poporului roman asta in puscarie."

whcih means: "I will put in prison all mobsters like you [refering to another user] who stole from the wealth of the Romanian people"

I am not very familiar with Wikipedia's rules but this strikes me as a certain violation.

reply

thanx for the recommendation I went through the tutorial, however if I get it right I can just write anything without giving any scientific or other documentation? Will this not lead to problems if I suddently started writing things that were inaccurate but difficult to verify or prove wrong? thanx again --Alexander den store 12:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you keep an eye out?

Hi, sorry to bug you about this, but Hagop Kazazian Pasha will be on the next DYK -- hence be on the main page. Can you keep an eye out for vandalism, etc that may occur? Thx! --Free smyrnan 16:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Agop Paşa did his turn and all was fine. :-) --Free smyrnan 05:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, if at all possible I'll try not to make it coincide with going out to listen to Arto Tuncboyaciyan like it happened with Agop Paşa! :-) --Free smyrnan 05:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

hi,
Kailar,Ottoman Empirearticle have been deleted.why?--3210 18:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Just being nice :) I wasn't sure who he was actually.. Baristarim 19:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, no problems. Baristarim 23:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I just was your reply.. Ok then, I didn't know :) As for my post below, well it's ok now I suppose... Baristarim 03:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Your revert on Iran

I moved the Human Rights section near to Government and politics section in the Iran article, just like most country artilces (e.g. Egypt, Cuba). You then reverted my edits [6] with the reason WP:MOS. Please explain...Jidan 19:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Baristarim

Baristarim is claiming that only book sources with page numbers can be used as sources, but not links to summaries of books on sites. He has started an edit war on the Ottoman architecture page just so he can push his POV. I added two book sources and he claims that I cannot use them. Can he dictate what can and cannot be used? He claims that these cannot be used as sources: [7][8]. These are two summaries of the books, which means that the information given about those books is what is in those books. I should not have to buy a book and spend my money just so I can use these as sources, and that is what Baristarim is claiming!Azerbaijani 19:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

One of them is from a forum, the other one a book description. I provided six other refs, rewrote the intro with books on Ottoman architecture visible via Google Books. I am only reverting because he is placing Persian in front of anything else based on a post on a forum and a book summary, in contradiction with the content of the six other books cited: Ottoman architecture was a mix of Byzantine and Islamic Mamluk influence after 1453, even though before that it was based on Seljuk and Anatolian Byzantine architecture. What about 1453-1922 compared to 1299-1453? Most of the Ottoman masterpieces were built after the 16th century. Baristarim 19:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

IRC

Sorry, I was away... :-/ --Húsönd 20:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Re Template:Infobox Ethnic group

Hi Khoikhoi,

...I want to thank you for making that infobox look so much nicer. :-) BTW, the Kurdish Jews article got screwed up—would you mind fixing it? Thanks...

...Same for Kazakhs.

Thanks for your generous comment!  I'm glad I finally seem to've found a way to organize this template. I was expecting one or two pages' infoboxes might go awry, so I'll attend to the two you've found now. Hopefully you won't find too many more!  Thanks again, David Kernow (talk) 00:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

There might be a few others, but if I see them, I'll let you know. :-)

Thanks. Kurdish Jews and Kazakhs now fixed (after a few distractions). David (talk) 04:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

BTW, could you please make the Pashtun people article look nice? Khoikhoi 22:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Done, via an edit conflict I hope I've resolved correctly. Yours, David (talk) 23:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again. Khoikhoi 04:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hope I'm not bothering you, but it looks like Azerbaijani people could do some fixin'-upin'... Khoikhoi 05:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Should be clearer now. I reckon there are a fair few infoboxes out there whose population breakdowns will need some attention, so keep adding them as/when you see them (or even try reformatting them!)  Yours, David (talk) 23:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Civility

Hey, can you take a quick look here. I am having some serious problems with civility on Tajik's part. I tried being nice, being formal, being humorous, but he still comes back with all types of personal attacks and degrading comments, both about me, about Turks and about I don't know what. I reported him for 3RR yesterday, but nothing happened. But the main problem is with civility. I don't know what you can do, but what should I do? :) Thanks Baristarim 01:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

List of Assyrians‎

Please khoikhoi, tell me what to do here. I keep on insisting it does not make sense to list somebody twice in the list, and this has been going on for 6 months, but this Zayya still doesn't get it. I told them numerious times about Wikipedia guidelines, but just ignores. She was banned for some hours too before, but they still on insisting with their ways. Please get involved with this. Chaldean 01:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Baku Massacres - Proposal for Deletion

I'd like to request you to pay attention to recently created page "Baku massacres" by Nareklm. I put my proposal on deletion of that article in Talk Page. Could you provide your judgement?--Dacy69 05:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoi, I think you should just delete this article. It'd be too much work to further investigate this (he's right, Azerbaijan was occupied in April 1920 and these incidents did not occur until May, so I'm not exactly sure what we should do). It'll cause too many issues in the long-run, just remove it. It'll be easier on all of us. -- Clevelander 12:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Please talking

Hello It seem that it becomes Edit War concerning POV but try a solution by Talk Page. see Talk:Pontic Greek Genocide.--Naohiro19(Talk Page/Contributions) 09:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Request

When they say "northeastern Armenia" and "nothern Armenia" they are not referring to areas that were annexed by Turkey in the Treaty of Kars. Instead, these refer to regions within the borders of Armenia as it stands today. I'll explain more a bit later. -- Clevelander 12:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, they're referring to the Azeris who lived in Armenia before they left during the Karabakh conflict. If you ask me, these lines should be removed because there are no Azeri speakers living there today. -- Clevelander 01:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoi, I'm flattered. :) -- Clevelander 01:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Baku massacres

Hey Clevelander asked for the articles deletion would you mind deleting it? Nareklm 16:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Nareklm 20:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess this one too: "Kirovabad Pogrom". Nareklm 03:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yaşar Kemal

Hello Khoikhoi, it looks like that I was comepletely wrong on Yashar Kemal. He was on paper (Radikal) and in a speech concerning the problems in the southeastern Turkey, he clearly stated that he is from Kurdish origin. I am sorry for the mass that I have created two months ago.

I cleared the sources, because they seem not quite reliable to me. -with kirjasto.sci, I had many problems:(- But the new source is today's newspaper. Is it possible to cite newspapers? Because the internet version seems to be a bit different from the newspaper. Can you cite it? It was on page 14. If necessary, I can tell you the writer later (I don't have the newspaper with me) Thanks Caglarkoca 17:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

kirjasto.sci, or something like that, that I don't know how to write properly:), is a biography website which seems awfully unrelated to me. It looks like that it has been removed long ago. I insisted on the newspaper version, because kemal was on the paper just yesterday. That is the first time that he openly said that he is of kurdish origin, at least on a turkish newspaper, so it is important. I also hate to see numerous citations for a single fact, POV pushers do it all the time and I wanted to clear the page from unnecessary citations. I think one was put to satisfy me, now it is no longer necessary:) (I have no problem with admitting my mistakes)

BTW, who's the woman on your userpage? Khoikhoi 05:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

My girlfriend:) Caglarkoca 08:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes that article is rather strange... Something is either right or wrong, and the number of sources does not change anything. Indeed, sources with edu extension should be used only for academic purposes, especially english, american, french and german universities eliminate POV as much as it can be done. I think the definition of reliable source must be changed in order to put greater trust to websites with edu extension. I also have personal problems with Iranica, it seems it can be as biased as ever. It sometimes even contradicts with itself. Why kidding about my girlfriend? Caglarkoca 18:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Azeris picture

Hey what happened to the Azeris picture we had before? You know the one you got? Aren't collages some kind of copyright infringement? I recall us having that problem in the past so I'm just wondering how the new picture can be used as it is? Also, I put up your picture of Pashtun elders as the main one at the beginning. we'll see how long that lasts. Hope things are going well. Judging from your talkback page your busy as hell. Ah the fun of having authority. ;) Tombseye 18:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh I see how that went down with Azeris. I'm not adversely against it, BUT I thought it was a copyright infringement to create collages like that. Also, it smacks of overt nationalism to me and is different from encyclopedias that just show average everyday people. If things, i.e. the copyright issue, have changed I don't have a problem with it. Yeah your picture was always perfect for the top spot imo. I only hope we can preserve this new version of the article longer than the last one. I figure I'll wait out the good article thing and then put it up for featured article again and make it stick hopefully. Tombseye 06:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I left a message with Gmaxwell so we'll see how that goes. Figures the Yugoslavs would start this. Just kidding. Yeah, not a bad idea re:Pashtuns. I'll get on it. Yeah you gotta finish watching Carlito's Way though. It's really good. In my opinion, Brian DePalma's best flick. Pacino does a better Cuban than New York Puerto Rican accent, but that's a small quibble given how well it's made. Rentals are okay, but the best movie I've seen recently was Borat. Damn, that movie had me rolling on the floor and that never happens. The Fugitive's watchable as an action flick and all, but a bit formulaic. It's worth seeing once though. If you have any other suggestions on Pashtuns or need help with other stuff just let me know. I'm sure I'll find time in-between working, interning and going to school. oh the pain! Adios. Tombseye 06:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I hear ya. Wikipedia can be really addictive and given my obsessive compulsive nature I have to exercise some control myself. Puerto Ricans have a tough accent and Pacino tried it, but it's hard to master. Puerto Ricans vary in appearance from really white (Ricky Martin) to African so his appearance wasn't a problem for me. I thought he was good in it and Penelope Ann Miller for some reason seems really hot in that movie (okay the topless scene didn't hurt either). Yeah I can't wait to see Spider-Man 3 myself! I'm such a nerd that way. Ah the Israelis and Pals. Now that's always a tough situation, but you don't need me to tell you that. Yeah, the ethnic group thing is getting tough to define these days. So much overlap. The Sabras are viewed by many Israelis as a sign of a single 'ethnic' group, but that's a work in progress really. Also, if one says Israelis we're talking about Israeli Arabs, Druze etc. which again creates certain issues beyond the Ashkenazi and Sephardim. I agree with your position though myself. Palestinians is also a tough one. They are more or less Levantine (meaning that they are similar to Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese basically as well as some Jews in Israel etc. (the genetics seem to link them at least in part to most Jews which is interesting). I note for example Egyptians have an article and are an ethnic group of sorts (with varying definitions from Copts to self-identifying Arabs). I would avoid the ethnic box with both though as you are correct. If we see one for Family Guy, then I'm gonna jump off the empire state or something. Sheesh. I'll do what I can to help out. Ciao. Tombseye 06:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Sources

Hi. You had told me that i should probably source my subpage User:Hectorian/Timeline of Modern Greek History. Do u really think this is necessary? I mean that 90% of the info i have placed there comes from sourced wikipedia articles, and since i have created internal links there, the readers can redirect to the respective articles and their sources. After all, it is a timeline, not an article... Do u think it would be OK to make it an article now, remove the 'ref tab' that u placed in the bottom, and let users add 'fact tags' for things they probably dispute? i believe i am able to sourcing everything there:). Regards Hectorian 20:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

BTW, i have created an article irrelevant with the things i have been getting involved in Wikipedia; The Dead Brother's Song. Man, it was quite difficult to translate it into English! LOL Do have a look, if u want to correct any possible grammatical mistakes. Thanks Hectorian 20:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. OK, I will create Timeline of modern Greek history, but I will not ask my subpage to be deleted... I've spent much time and effort in it:). I will not source anything at the moment, but, as u advised me, i will not remove the "unreferenced" tag. In fact i will place it in the lead. I hope that if someone disagrees with something, he/she will add "fact" tags, and so, I will be able to source everything there... At the moment, i am not really sure about what to source, since everything may seem "controversial" to some people's eyes. Thanks for The Dead Brother's Song. I am searching for a version of the song at the moment. as soon as i'll find it, u'll have it as well. Ciao Hectorian 20:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the suggestion. I have started to work on the article: [9]. It will require sometime, but such an article was lacking. You might want to add it to your watch-list. --alidoostzadeh 22:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the Mitanni seal that was removed

User:Nareklm removed the Mitanni seal and put in "copyvio" in the image [10], when admin User:Jkelly, which handles the copyright images approved it. Nareklm was trying to justify his reasons by created this "false" info in order to remove a Mitanni "related" image. The Mitanni seal was put their and approved by admins and other users who work on Mitanni, otherwise they would have removed it right away as they do with other wrong edits Ararat arev 23:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Ridiculous the image is copyright no notification im following the rules. Nareklm 23:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi the User:Jkelly admin approved the image check the edit history please [ Ararat arev (Talk | contribs)

← Older edit Revision as of 20:34, 4 December 2006 (edit) (undo) Jkelly (Talk | contribs) (rm spurious copyright notice, add correct copyright template (one down)) Newer edit → Line 1: Line 1:

Summary

This image is from Martiros S. Kavoukjian's The Genesis of Armenian People, Montreal, 1982. It is the royal seal (winged eight-pointed sun disk flanked by two lions and two eagles) of the King of Mitanni Sauššatar (c. 1440-1410BC) (p. 97). Originally from G. Contenau's 19th century text La Civilisation des Hittites et des Hurrites du Mitanni Paris. p. 62. Ararat arev 23:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello there

The article was changed with a sentence that says Igdir was liberated but I disagree with that. In an Armenian view point it was not liberated. The way it was before was neutral it should be kept that way, but they changed it so I was reverting back to the old and neutral version. ROOB323 04:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

OK no problem thanks for the reminder about the rule tell you the truth I completly forgot about that rule thanks again. ROOB323 04:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Haik page

Can you unprotect the Haik page? User:Eupator and I discussed the changes to be made with references also. He said he will add in that part. Thank you. Ararat arev 06:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Troubled times

Hello. You asked me not to use any meat sock puppets, I am not. The only person I asked to intervene is user Miclovan, but not to do something he wouldn't do if he hadn't seen the article by himself. I am not using any meat or non meat sock puppets, I didn't think Miclovan would be considered that but, well now I know.

I noticed you reverted the changes of an IP, which is not mine but has made the same changes as I would have. I don't know whose IP that is, but I can tell you it is not mine.

If you want me to stop doing changes on the Romania article, just tell me. But explain to me why it is I, that have motivated my changes on the disucussion page, that should let this one pass?

I don't think it is fair for one user, namely Anonimu, to have a monopoly over what goes in that article and what doesn't. Especially when his point of view is only shared by a small minority of romanians and he doesn't motivate his actions on the discussion page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kamenaua (talk • contribs) 08:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Hi. I always hate I cannot for the love of me understand why a brief review of Romanian history (even briefer than the one in History of Romania) needs to get into such topics and begin talk about slogans shouted on Idunnowhatday. Generrally, I tend to stand away from such articles altogether, as they become the ground of the most superficial of sophists, but for now I stand with a shortened and carefully combed over version of Anoniumu's text (I admit I have not looked into all of it, and call attention to the fact that, eventually, the entire text may need to be rewritten). In case you agree with this assessment, Khoikhoi, I'll comment more on the talk page there. Cheers. Dahn 10:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I'll add a comment to the talk page there (but I still won't watchlist it, so perhaps you could keep me posted if something major is decided).

About Wallachia: the first paragraphs of the text are still problematic, and I would not trust some of the sentences in there with holding my wiener in the can (especially given that some of them were contributed by a certain user, who is no longer with us). Unfortunately, they also deal with a period I have never cared much about, and on which the bibliography I have is about 100 years old... Due to that, it may not be FA-ready just yet - but thank you for your kind words. Boogie down. Dahn 07:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Nakhichevan

Khoi, I need your comments on the Nakhichevan talk page. Grandmaster seems opposed to the change. -- Clevelander 11:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

We're in a discussion on it now. -- Clevelander 11:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Sticky situation

Khoi, what should I do about this? The name "September Days" is essentially a name I created to sort of balance March Days. If we can't use that name per original research, then what should we call it? -- Clevelander 11:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

That's the issue, they don't really give it a name. I guess we should call it "1918 Baku massacre" or something like that. -- Clevelander 11:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think I can find another source that states anything more about it besides the fact that it occured. -- Clevelander 11:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Why don't we just merge them into one article called Baku massacres? -- Clevelander 14:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

That sounds fine. -- Clevelander 00:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

perhaps

Sorry to butt in. Allow me to disagree about Francis Tyers being a good mediator. In my experience, his involvement generates constant and unnecessary complications that lead to antagonisms. His absence seems like a blessing: things are sorted out. For instance, Greek-Turkish points of contention tend to find common ground or people can agree to disagree.

He seems to initiate strictly controversial articles, with only a couple of sentences and then seems to enjoy following or even feeding the ensuing mayhem. IMHO, his contribution to those articles is minimal and his interventions unhelpful. Sorry if I upset anyone; I remain open to suggestions.

My question is: is wikipedia a medium for exploiting other peoples, going through difficult times, to write your essays or carry out your research? If so... Politis 13:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion nominations withdrawn

Khoi, I'd like to withdraw the following deleion nominations I've made:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Oltu
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Alexandropol
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Kars (1920)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Sarıkamış (1920)
• Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 January 15#Template:Campaignbox Turkish-Armenian War -- Clevelander 14:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Re

I was confused about the battle at first because I've never seen it though but it seems acceptable :) Also i invited an historian to wikipedia also his username: Pilisopa he will help us out alot on Urartu and Armenian related articles he has degrees in all those subjects thanks for reminding me! :-D Nareklm 20:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey Khoi can you protect this Iğdır Province it seems a edit war has started. Nareklm 00:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :-) Nareklm 00:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

np, just tell me when you need it whenever. Nareklm 00:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Personal Attack

Hey is this considered a personal attack? "THAT IS NOT APPROVING!" Ararat is accusing me of silly things. Nareklm 23:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Please see this edit he is insulting me in Armenian, Khent = Stupid. Nareklm 23:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Jkelly and just now User:Dbachmann approved the Mitanni seal image. These are admins who approved the image and if you check in the Mitanni history you see what kind of attempts this 16 year old was doing trying to remove it. We are actually discussing in the Talk:Mitanni page. I wont call him stupid anymore. He also shouts out at me,which other users have reported as personal attack. About the Haik page User:Eupator said he will add the info. So please unprotect it. Thank you. Ararat arev 23:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, if you also look in Eupator's discussion on my Talk page you see we discussed the Haik info to put there. Ararat arev 23:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, believe it or not yes.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 23:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Here is what User:Jkelly admin who handles copyright images said. I feel I have to keep repeating what he stands for, so people like Nareklm who revert their approval understand here. Here it is [11] and here [12]. Jkelly put the info of the Summary and the Tag. And as you see just yesterday Dbachmann told Nareklm that the image is ok. Ararat arev 00:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Here just in case:

"the image probably isn't copyrightable. If it is, we can easily argue fair use. Aa has uploaded a lot of dodgy images, but I don't think this particular one is a problem. dab (𒁳) " dab is User:Dbachmann Ararat arev 00:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoi i asked Interiot about this here is one quote "As far as I know, armenianhighland.com doesn't indicate anywhere that its images are available under public domain or the GFDL or creative commons. It's certainly appropriate to post them to copyvio at least, since that gives the uploaders some time to discuss whether the site gives permission, and whether armenianhighland is the copyright holder." they need permission with the ticket notification. Nareklm 00:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

This one is not a problem they said. armenianhighland.com is not stated there, yet check the history Khoikhoi. The history of the Mitanni seal image shows that User:Jkelly had seen the armenianhighland previous edit I made. Thats where if you check my link he saw it, and said "removing wrong copyright and putting right one" You see? [13] and here [14]. Ararat arev 00:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Narek is not verifying things correctly to other admins. Do I need to let them know ? Like Interiot? Ararat arev 00:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

What's your point i reverted my edits you can't do anything if your trying to get me blocked i can report you for the other 3RR violations and you insulting me. Nareklm 00:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I let User:Interiot know about this too. I let him know the admisn approved of it. Yet you tried to remove it Ararat arev 00:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Im not trying to get you blocked. What is he say Khoikhoi? Ararat arev 00:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

They check the disussions. I let Khoikhoi know im not going to insult you. Ararat arev 00:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't mean anything you still insulted me im warning you. Nareklm 00:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi what do you want me to say? I already stated if I do again I'll be banned. There are edit history they check Nareklm. Ararat arev 00:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

So dont make up something. Ararat arev 00:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You discussing to him without checking what he did here. The admins approved of this. Its like me randomly going to a page and doing that "copyvio" and removing an image from there, when it was approved. Ararat arev 00:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

When an image is approved it usually needs this click Nareklm 00:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You telling me that the copyright handlers on Wikipedia dont do their work right? If that was the case he would have put it. There is no semi ok. Its either a image is "ok" or its "not". And in this case its "ok" by the admins who handle the images. Ararat arev 01:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, I let Dbachmann know that this guy keeps going on and on about this none sense. I also let Interiot know. Ararat arev 01:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

This guy wants every Wikipedia admin to come and tell him its ok. So far 3 of them have said its ok. Ararat arev 01:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Stop with this! your the one who brought it up i reverted my edits! Nareklm 01:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok,then get it over with. We were discussing for hours about this none sense when it was approved a month ago. Ararat arev 01:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You were attempting again today to remove it. Khoikhoi can check the history all of them can check the discussions Ararat arev 01:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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thanks, you are a scholar and a gentlman. Politis 13:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Nakhichevan (again)

Hey Khoi, your mediation is really needed on the Nakhichevan talk page. Grandmaster is adamant on retaining the HRW source at any cost. Even a deal to remove another outside source (IWPR) in exchange for the removal of HRW has not satisfied him. I'm really not sure what I should do anymore. Your help is especially needed at this crucial point. -- Clevelander 13:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

nagorno-karabakh war

I would appreciate your judgement in page Nagorno-Karabakh War. Armenian user put a joke there which I am trying to remove. Many jokes can be put there which reflect POV of only one side. And after all, is it a place for joke? --Dacy69 14:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

user Eupator

I would like your interference with behaviour of user Eupator. I have applied to assistance procedure regarding dispute on Urartu page. The dispute was considered and my editing was approved [15] SilkTork identified that future editing (my part) should be discussed with him. However, user Eupator (and Nareklm as well) did editing without further consultation. Eupator and other Armenian users are harrasing me, and they even don't conceal that they are revenging [16] ("since you opened that can of worms deal with the facts"). I have already complained about personal attack from Eupator on page Paytakaran. He went unpunished and continue his inappropriate behavior. You can look at my talk page - they placing questionable warnings on my talkpage [17] and other things, imposing their POV. Almost all my editing are checked by them and either reverted or in other manner modified. While I understand that from formal point of view everyone can edit what s/he want, there is also evidences of wikistalking. I have some positive experience with my ooponents like Clevelander, but such users like Eupator should be banned from editing. --Dacy69 15:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Afrika paprika

Hello. Happy New Year!

Ever since you blocked User:194.152.217.129 a little bit over two weeks ago, he has been requesting unblocks and waiting. While this Afrika paprika's static IP blocked, it appears that he has returned to his traditional 89.172.. and 83.131... IPs (please refer to Wikipedia sockpuppets of Afrika paprika and Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Afrika paprika) and vandalized for a dozen or so times my user page replacing my leave notice with insulting homosexual connotations including a certain War Criminal. He (as the 194.152.217.129) has filed a professional unblock request, although the request was denied. Interestingly enough, when you blocked him, an anon (89...) said that he [Afrika paprika] shall always be waiting and will always return.

Now, 4 days before his block runs our, he has filed another unblock request (which will probably be accepted due to the short time remaining)...it is a heavily uneasy and uncomfortable thing that I ask your to lengthen someone's block, but 2 hours of typing will not be enough to inform you what has Afrika paprika done to me and the whole Wikipedian Community by now. I'm afraid that my good faith (but not ever going into the borders of bad faith) ends here and now and it's a terrible thing that I must make such a horrifying exception. In the end, I'd like to comment a a wise Wikipedian: If Users act like trolls, treat them like trolls. There are mistakes. It's humane to make them. There are uneasy situations and times when we would do something we would have never done, were we not placed on the path towards such an occasion - but Afrika paprika has breached all limits. Even my limits (and those limits are broader that Wikipedia's). Sincerely & sadly yours, --PaxEquilibrium 16:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

thx

thx koi koi

But there is however a comment to be made about tattar and tatar... you see.. in english it is Tatar but the English gave this as a name to make fun of them. So I like to use the tattar version because the tattars themselves write it like that. Likewise I dont say Turkey but Türkiye sinds turkey is offensive. On the other hand Netherlands isnt offensive so I do use the English version for it. Anyways can you change it for me so that there will be links? (Barakus 16:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC))

Please check the Mitanni page

I let Dbachmann know about the advice on putting the image how it is in Urartu page. Asking him to compare the 2 pages. Now is that the 3RR? No,right? Cause its a diffeferent case, Im discussing with him and Dbachmann yet to reply. These guys are reverting when nothing was agreed. Ararat arev 19:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Ararat has reached his limit on the reverts if he violates it its a block for 48 hours since he's been warned many times. Nareklm 19:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Narek you cant keep reverting when nothing was agreed by the "Admin" Dbachmann on this. Ararat arev 20:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

And it wasnt a 3RR , I was Talkng to Dbachmann, and Talk:Mitanni about this. Yet to get response from him. You are "reverting" asctually. Ararat arev 20:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC) :Khoi please block Ararat he has violated the 3RR on Mitanni Nareklm 20:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

This isnt that case Narek. I am talking to the "admnin" Dbachmann. He is busy or not here yet to respond to the changes. And it isnt 3RR, i discussing in the Talk pages. Ararat arev 20:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You are the one "reverting" here. Ararat arev 20:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The admin is not here. He hasnt got a chance to respond and he's off line, and you reverting without his response to my "good" advices.Thats not 3RR. Im discussing in Talk:Mitani and his Talk Ararat arev 20:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi this guy is playing games here. He's changing pages images now in Urartu When I specificlly told him Dbachmann will chek the 2 pages and compare. He is again changing and reverting things when wasnt responded by the "admin" Dbachmann. Ararat arev 20:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoi please check this to make sure Im not making it up, Im discussing with Dbachmann and havent got a response from him yet,the guy is offline: [18] Ararat arev 20:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah and he never said anything, i can revert if i want. Nareklm 20:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You're not even discussing in Talk:Urartu. I even put my messages there. Ararat arev 20:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Can I get your say in this

Compare the 2 pages Urartu and Mitanni on the map and image settings. Get your say in this so we can leave it like that. It looks better what you think? Lets get a map and image there in both pages . Ararat arev 19:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Were discussing in Talk:Mitanni and Talk:Urartu. Ararat arev 21:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoi this is spam he is emailing people so they can aggre with him Mustafa aklap got blocked for this before. Nareklm 21:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Im asking for his opinion. You are the one who childishly started making this a big deal when it was already like this. You even had left it like that with your previous map a few weeks ago. Ararat arev 22:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Rename

Hi. It seems per Wikipedia:Naming conventions, "Push It To The Limit" should be "Push It to the Limit". Would you make the change? Thanks. House of Scandal 02:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Nakhichevan (yet again)

Khoi, again, your mediation is needed on the Nakhichevan article. -- Clevelander 11:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Help needed!

Hi Khoikhoi, I wonder if you can put a block on User:Highshines for a breach against 3RR, sock puppetry and abusive comments:

• First edit
• Second edit
• Third edit

If uyou compare the edits, you see that they are identical:

• First and second
• Second and Third

Please take note of the fact that he has tried to use an IP sock when doing this.

...and here is the answer I got when I warned him/her: User_talk:Highshines#3RR_violation

Hope this is enough.--Niohe 19:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Your claims that I'm a "stalker".

I've replied here, and there is a link for your benefit. Mathmo ^Talk 23:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Bit of a controversial category

Hi Khoikoi, i just came across this Category:Genocide deniers being added to certain writers and academics. What do you think? Personally i think it is slanderous for Wikipedia to label academics "genocide deniers". Thanks, --A.Garnet 01:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)