Talk:COVID-19 recession

DYK Nom

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Yoninah (talk) 20:53, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
After 15 weeks at WP:DYKN, the article still has close paraphrasing in addition to a merge tag. Closing as unsuccessful.

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• ... that due to the coronavirus recession, almost 80 countries have asked the IMF for help before May 2020? [1] Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Sa.vakilian (talk). Self-nominated at 11:13, 29 March 2020 (UTC).

• Date and length fine. However there are several problems with the article. It has several citation needed tags and tags on the header. There is also the big problem of the merger proposal which means @Sa.vakilian: it cannot proceed until all tags have been removed. Once the merge debate is ended and the citing is fixed (the citations are a bit messy too I'll add), then ping me and I'll have another look. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:32, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

• The article's title has not been established by reliable sources. As of now, I could not see this article passing. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 23:40, 31 March 2020Seyyed(t-c) 04:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC) (UTC)

@The C of E: All of the tags exept one of them has been removed. Can you please check it again. Of course, we can find a better DYK.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:54, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sa.vakilian: All tags need to be removed before this can proceed. I've also noticed after a recheck that the Coronavirus pandemic subsection under the Causes section is a complete copy and paste from 2019-20 Coronavirus pandemic's opening paragraph. That is not allowed under rule 1.b of DYK rules and will need to be reworded or deleted and also casts suspicion on the rest of the article. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 05:29, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

I have not checked all of it but I think most of it is not copy from the other articles.Seyyed(t-c) 15:10, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

You wrote it, how do you not know if you copied anything? It cannot include any copied work from other articles. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 16:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

@The C of E: I have written some part of it and I ask other participants to answer you here. Seyyed(t-c) 04:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Keepcalmandchill:@Capewearer: Hi, as major contributors in coronavirus recession, please participate in this discussion and help us to have DYK on the main page.Seyyed(t-c) 04:23, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@user:Keepcalmandchill and @user:Capewearer Hi, as major contributors in coronavirus recession, please participate in this discussion and help us to have DYK on the main page.Seyyed(t-c) 08:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm aware of the nomination. Please don't keep pinging me about it. Capewearer (talk) 08:14, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

• While the merge proposal is ongoing, the nomination is temporarily on hold. If the article survives intact, then a new review will be needed: the nominator's only significant edit to the article was in creating a 2715 prose character article, which has since grown to 38951 prose characters. There doesn't seem to have been overlap between the articles in the initially created article—the Causes section was a later addition, so any direct copying within Wikipedia was after and beyond the minimum 1500 prose character creation. If there were copied sections, they ought to have been mentioned on the article talk page (I didn't see any mentions in the edit summaries), but running Duplication Detector, there aren't very many exact strings of words left between the two articles after two months of editing. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

• Listing at WT:DYK for a new review or follow-up. The move/merge discussion ended with this article staying where it is. Courtesy @The C of E: as per wishes listed above. Flibirigit (talk) 06:34, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - I can't find the hook in the article, but it is sourced to a reliable source.
• Interesting:
• Other problems:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Launchballer 17:40, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• IMO the hook is outdated. It would be better to use one or more examples from different countries to make an interesting hook. But this must be taken care of soon. This nomination has been sitting here for over 3 months and is no longer "new content".
• There is still close paraphrasing from the sources:
• Source: Property investment sales in Singapore fell 37 per cent to $3.02 billion in the first quarter of this year from the previous three months as the coronavirus outbreak took its toll on investor sentiment, a report from Cushman & Wakefield on Monday (April 13) showed.
• Article: Property investment sales in Singapore fell 37 per cent to $3.02 billion in the first quarter of this year from the previous three months as the pandemic took its toll on investor sentiment, a report from Cushman & Wakefield on 13 April showed.
• Source: The preliminary estimate of 1Q20 Italian GDP shows a 4.7% quarter on quarter fall (-4.8% YoY), a much steeper decline than in any quarter seen either during the financial crisis or the sovereign debt crisis.
• Article: The preliminary estimate of 1Q20 Italian GDP shows a 4.7% quarter on quarter fall (-4.8% YoY), a much steeper decline than in any quarter seen either during the financial crisis or the sovereign debt crisis.
• Source: Manufacturing sales in March fell to the lowest level since mid-2016 as sales of auto manufacturers and parts suppliers were both down over 30%.
• Article: Canadian manufacturing sales in March fell to the lowest level since mid-2016, as sales by auto manufacturers and parts suppliers plunged more than 30%.
• Source: Ali says annual inflation remained in negative territory in May (-1.7%) and is forecast to edge up to 1.0 percent by year-end.
• Article: Annual inflation remained in negative territory in May (-1.7%) and is forecast to edge up to 1.0 percent by year-end.
• Source: Dow futures tumbled more than 1,000 points and Standard & Poor's 500 futures dropped 5%, triggering an automatic shock absorber.
• Article: Dow futures tumbled more than 1,000 points and Standard & Poor's 500 futures dropped 5%, triggering a circuit breaker.
• There are also several "citation needed" tags that must be addressed. Yoninah (talk) 19:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

As it happens, this article has been nominated to be moved, so the nomination can't currently proceed anyway. @Keepcalmandchill:@Capewearer:@Sa.vakilian: - could you chime in?--Launchballer 07:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Considering the large number of issues still outstanding, and that as noted above there is no longer any new content, I feel it is time to close and reject the nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 02:12, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

The map needs a legend!

A Re-evaluation of the "Impact of U.S. Protests" Section?

I propose a re-evaluation of the section; "Impact of U.S. Protests". The sources cited in this section are news reports written at the time of protests - they, therefore, report the expected short-term impact of protests upon the economy.

The claims made here also seem overstated, when considering the figures: QUOTE; "overwhelming public infrastructure with large-scale property damage,[344] costing an estimated $500 million." A $500 million figure does not seem considerable enough to merit the size of this "U.S. Protests" entry, when considered relative to the trillions of dollars governments around the world are utilising in fiscal aid. With the longer-term perspective we now have, the claims of this section seem exaggerated.

The preceding section (U.S Impact by occupation and demographic) also does not seem sufficient enough to merit inclusion in this article. I propose that this and the "Impact of U.S Protests" sections be placed either within the "economic impact by country" section, or within the dedicated "Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States" article. With this should be included a greater number of references in support of claims made. Having dedicated country-specific articles enables global articles like this one to keep their focus global. --Chippu101 (talk) 15:13, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Just for reference, how much property damage would you like there to be before we can consider it worthy of inclusion? Do you want $1 Billion dollars in damage? Do I hear $10 Billion? Do we count Police shootings and medical bills in the number, or just tally up the property estimate of the Wendy's restaurants and public buildings destroyed by Molotov cocktails? -- Sleyece (talk) 02:01, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

The $500 million figure given is not even in the source provided (news article). Additional research needs to be done so an estimation can be verified. Furthermore, if there are any sources talking about how lockdown may have affected public reaction, that would be good to include as well. Musicalmather (talk) 01:25, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, we need quality sources. We need at least two sources confirming the same estimate. -- Sleyece (talk) 17:59, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

One could just as easily ask where we draw the line 'downwards', as it were. Whether, given 500m (now 550m) is such a small (relative) figure, we might include damage done by small storms, or wildfires. I could flip your question and ask why $200m damage from a wildfire shouldn't have its own section, or even $400k from an arson attack (for example). Nevertheless, you may have noticed that I am not encouraging the removal of the section entirely, just its integration into the US sub-section (a more suitable location) and better referencing Chippu101 (talk) 20:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC).

Could someone please update Australia

Rather than going into a depression, as the article says is expected, Australia is now out of recession — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.240.244.167 (talk) 04:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

End date

Does anybody have a reliable source that states whether this global recession is ongoing, or if it ended in June 2020? I checked for 15 minutes, couldn't find one. The reason I ask is that this article says it's ongoing in the infobox, but doesn't have a citation for it. But List of recessions in the United States says it ended in June 2020, and cites ABC News, but the ABC News article doesn't even have the word recession in it. I'd prefer to find a good source such as a journal article, or the IMF or World Bank website, then update the end date in both locations. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

If the recession is still ongoing in February 2022, this should be renamed to COVID-19 Depression

I know that's widely jumping the gun and that probably will not happen, but I want to bring it up ahead of time.

A depression is defined as being measured in years, as apposed to a recession which is measured in months. The Great Recession(the worst one up to that point) was roughly a year and a half, give or take a month.

Therefore, if this one makes it past the two year mark, it would not be unreasonable to retitle it to Depression. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.174.216.170 (talk)