Talk:Uranus (mythology)

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The Greek name for him was actually Ouranos, Uranus was his roman counterpart. Spamuel98 (talk) 13:01, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

No his Roman counterpart was Caelus. Paul August ☎ 00:52, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

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It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved.

Originally this page said that Uranus later went to Italy, or wandered off alone. I took this out because I think this is a confusion between Uranus and Cronus.

Roman gods eqivalent?

There is a stub article Caelus, which it says is sometimes called Coelus, which redirects this this aricle. I'm unsure of how to sort all of this out. -Rholton 18:36, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I changed Coelus to be a redirect to Caelus -Lethe | Talk 19:19, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)

uruanus went to be the god of another planet in which he named uranus ....go figure

Uranus is the Roman version. Caelus is the Greek version. It would be best just to switch the articles, really. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.129.246.8 (talk) 21:39, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

Ouranos is the proper Greek name, and Uranus is the Romanized version. Furthermore, the article uses Ouranos in the body.

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• Oppose. There's nothing improper about the Latinate name and it's much more common in modern English use. Quintusdecimus 21:08, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose — Uranus is more common and used in scholarly works; Ouranos seems rather pedantic. --Gareth Hughes 21:32, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose — Stick with the name which appears most commonly in English-language use. CDThieme 02:34, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
• Support - Support more pedantic over more common. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 13:01, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. This move would be the equivalent of keeping Confucius under Kongfuzi, which we don't. / Peter ^Isotalo 14:02, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. In general I support the use of names that match correct usage, but unfortunately that's not the path that Wkipedia has chosen. Common usage is paramount. Noisy | Talk 18:32, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose Many exquisitely "proper" spellings have a pretentious air in English that non-natives don't perceive. --Wetman 23:22, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose Uranus is common English - hence the planet. --Henrygb 02:05, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose I would vote against the more common name if it was incorrect, but there's nothing wrong with Uranus. —Michael Z. 2005-10-17 17:49 Z
• Oppose. Common English name, where does nom think the planet gets its name. – Axman (☏) 05:48, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose for reasons given above. Jonathunder 06:26, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose The first written description as a mythological entity comes from Hesiodos' scribes. So I believe that the Greek spelling would be more appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.118.191.48 (talk) 22:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support - There are different pages for Herakles and Hercules, (with the later being the Latinized equivalent), even though Hercules is the more well known. So why should this be any different? Why should you use the Roman name of a god that the Romans just copied from the Greeks?149.171.90.138 (talk) 02:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Ouranus and oros

"Another possibility is that the name comes from the Greek word for mountain: oros": No. This is in error. --Wetman 00:09, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

Ouranos is the Greek word for "sky". It has no grammatical connection to urine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.174.148.233 (talk) 10:13, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Age of Mythology

Uranus, appears in the computer game expansion pack, Age of Mythology: The Titans. Only in the game he is called Oranos, and is a major God of the Atlanteans. This may be a small bit of information about the god, but could be included, however I'm not sure if its important enough therefore it shouldn't be included. I don't know.

Note

Uranus and Gaia's first children were the Titans. Then the Cyclopes, then the hundred-armed giants. In that order according to most professional mythology books.

Balls? Members?

casting the severed Balls into the sea. Souldn't it be testicles or maybe something ' that belongs in an encyclopedia? I'll edit it.--Kookoo275 04:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I don't think "members" is quite right, either. Changing to the more anatomical "genitalia." 204.96.18.5 17:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Brenda

Additions

(Regardless it will be moved or not).

• The Greek rendering please.--Connection 11:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Subtractions

• "Another variation of the story is that Uranus' mass smothered Gaia, and in desperation she created the scythe or sickle to have Cronus castrate his father." Can anyone find the version of the myth in which it is the weight of Ouranos that oppresses Gaia? Meanwhile, this is repetitive and merely distracting. This is so true

also a gas pLANET

Greek god Uranus

uranus didn't like his children so he hide them in side of gaea the earth in an underground place called the tartarus. the tatarus was an underground place or like hell and darkness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.96.129 (talk) 20:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

You tell 'em!(Huey45 (talk) 10:16, 8 May 2010 (UTC))

Why obsidian sickle

The article conjectures that flint sickles "may have survived latest in ritual contexts where metal was taboo, but the detail, which was retained by classical Greeks, suggests the antiquity of the mytheme". However, obsidian blades are still used today in surgery because their cuttng edges are much finer and smoother than those of any metal blade. While flint may not be as good as obsidian, the way it fractures suggests that a flint sickle may have been sharper than any bronze razor, and thus may have been preferred for surgical procedures like castration, even in the Bronze Age. All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 18:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Ultimate fate of Uranus

I'm really curious what happened to this chap.. I mean as the prima God, he is the ultimate first cause in Greek Mythology and nothing on this wiki page speaks of his role after the castration. Does he fight in the war of the Olympians and Titans -- one would expect that if he was alive to seek vengeance against Cronus for slashing his gonads. Evan Carroll (talk) 19:19, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Etymology

In the article is written that Uranos is propably derived from the PIE root *wers=To moisten,to dry.In the Online etymology lexicon is written that Neptunus(Poseidon) is derived from PIE *(e)nebth=moist.How these two can be connected?Axosman (talk) 09:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Ouranos comes every night to cover the earth and mate with her.Propably the name is connected with the PIE root *wer=to cover (Sanskr. "vatah",O.Persian."varaka").It must be examined if the PIE root *ano Online Etymology Dictionary is connected with the name(Gk."άνω",Εngl."on,up").Comp. Avestan "hvar" (light,heavens).

Axosman (talk) 09:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Vetting the new etymologies

Can some competent editor vet these anonymous changes to the etymology section? Thank you. --Wetman (talk) 12:49, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Kronos

Wasn't Ouranos dismembered by his son Kronos? --Whoop whoop pull up (talk) 23:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Corrections, comments and suggestions

1. I took the second half of the introduction and made a section called "Genealogy". Since many versions exist on how Uranus was born, I think it's worth to dedicate a section to the topic.

2. The abbreviation "Sanskr." clearly means Sanskrit. Is there a better way to abbreviate the word? That abbreviation is not nice.

3. I used the spelling Váruṇa for all the occurrences of Varuna in the text for consistency. However, I see that the article on the god has the spelling Varuna. Please fix as needed.

4. "Such sickles may have survived latest in ritual contexts where metal was taboo".

Why were metals taboo? What's the source for this point?

This paragraph is speculative at best but I believe it should survive for now, at least in the case of iron which is a taboo metal in many cultures. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_in_folklore/)

"The taboo on iron dates from the beginning of the Iron Age when religious conservatism forbade the use of the strange new material in place of the usual bronze." Chpt. 3, section: "Iron and Bronze", TABOO, MAGIC, SPIRITS: A STUDY OF PRIMITIVE ELEMENTS IN ROMAN RELIGION, BY ELI EDWARD BURRISS,(http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/tms/index.htm) 82.16.70.157 (talk) 07:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

5. I moved Vasari's fresco from left to right.

6. I changed the "Consorts and children" list from 2 columns to 1. The titans were split in two columns and it didn't look too good.

7. The genealogical tree at the end of the article is messy. If Zeus is son of Chronus and Hera why is he not listed under them? I think that tree is incorrect and misleading. Memphis marries Epaphus? Is that correct? I think it's a horrible way to do a tree (I do genealogical trees so I know something about making them).

8. This article lists five Giants: Alcyoneus, Athos, Clytias, Enceladus and Echion. The article on Giants (mythology) mentions Alcyoneus, Damysos, Ephialtes, Leon, Peloreus, Porphyrion, Theodamas and many others. Did Uranus have 5 or more Giants? I count at least 19 Giants.

ICE77 (talk) 04:24, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

The abbreviation Skt. is, I believe, the one most often used. Sutimere (talk) 22:28, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Roman Equivalent wrong

Second line, "His equivalent in Roman mythology was Saturn." is incorrect. Saturn is the Roman analog to Cronus, Uranus' son. The Roman equivalent of Uranus would most probably be Caelus, and if not, we should at least remove the Cronus =/= Uranus error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.70.157 (talk) 07:36, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

many eyes

The egyptian god corresponding to Ouranos is Os-iris which according to aristotle means "many eyes". (cf Hekatonkheires)

This is very similar to Er-os from which we probably get Our-an-os or Ir-on-os with the "on" indicating intensification.

In Hebrew the word for eye is "Rhayin" which can also mean "fountain" hence the connection with water and possibly rain.

Just granpa (talk) 03:08, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Elemental Earth, Sky and Styx might be joined, however, in a solemn invocation in Homeric epic.

And, in plain English, that means what?

Varuṇa

Why is Varuṇa consistently spelled with an acute on the a: Váruṇa? This is not a standard transcription of the name वरुण using the IAST standard for example. Jayarava (talk) 08:27, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't know, this should probably be changed. Paul August ☎ 09:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Gaia (mythology) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 16:45, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

stupid joke

Someone put a sentence "The bigest nut sucker is JADEN STEVENS" at the beginning of the "Etymology" section of this article. I don't know what was there before, so please someone responsible correct. 94.254.248.2 (talk) 18:40, 30 March 2017 (UTC)Majoj

It's been removed. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:43, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Is Ouranos in the mosaic?

The linked Wikimedia Commons page for the mosaic states that the figure in the wheel is Aion; why is it treated that he is conflated with Ouranos? 2407:7000:A2AB:D00:8DB0:63B3:F1B7:E932 (talk) 20:34, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2021

CHANGE: Whalewarrior (talk) 16:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RudolfRed (talk) 17:14, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Uranus

Stress on first or second syllable

The pronunciation ought to be | ˈjʊrənəs, jʊˈreɪnəs |. I'm not concerned with slight differences in vowel sounds between speakers but only with which syllable is stressed: YOUR-ə-nəs vs. yr-AY-nəs. Stress on the first syllable is the first pronunciation in the Cambridge American Dictionary, Cambridge British Dictionary, Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary, and many others including the Oxford English Dictionary, which puts it first for both American and British pronunciations. Oxford Advanced Learners allows ONLY the first-syllable-stressed version for both British pronunciation and for American pronunciation.

In all cases, these pronunciations applied to both the character from Greek myth and the planet. To entirely omit the first (or only) pronunciation favored by the most authoritative dictionaries in the English language is a serious omission.

As a very young amateur astronomer, I was taught to stress the first syllable, and all the way through university courses in astronomy, no professional astronomer ever stressed the second syllable although the general public often did. (I hear that some astronomers are experimenting with alternative pronunciations for public presentations, chosen for their giggle-suppression properties, but I can't imagine they use them with their peers.)

The reason authorities and general public differ is educational background. Back when formal education in the English-speaking world required Latin and Greek (history, mythology, language), students were taught that Greek names were pronounced with the stress on the antepenultimate (final minus two) syllable. This Greek-ISH phonology was passed down for centuries from formally educated to formally educated. With universal public education, many people just guessed at the pronunciation based on ordinary English phonology. Tuanglen (talk) 04:06, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Image change request

I'm gonna make this longer than I usually do. This image needs to be changed. It's depicts Aion, not Uranus. It's also used in way to many articles. There's also too much confusing detail. I'd recommend File:Ouranos, statue, parc du château de Versailles.JPG, as it is Uranus, isn't used, and also doesn't have any confusing detail. Ghost_Cacus (talk) 01:27, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Unless we have a source for this being "Aion-Uranus", I agree the image should be changed. I don't think the proposed image is a good one, however. Ancient art is always preferred, and since the LIMC lists 26 different representations of Uranus (see under "Ouranos"), we can hopefully find a better replacement. An option would be the Gigantomachy frieze image already lower down in the article. – Michael Aurel (talk) 01:45, 14 July 2023 (UTC)