Wikipedia:Requested moves

Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. For information on retitling files, categories, and other items, see § When not to use this page.

Before moving a page or requesting a move, please review the article titling policy and the guidelines on primary topics.

Any autoconfirmed user can move a page using the "Move" option in the editing toolbar; see how to move a page for more information. If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

• Technical reasons may prevent a move; for example, a page may already exist at the _target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. In such cases, see § Requesting technical moves.
• Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
• A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
• A page should not be moved and a new move discussion should not be opened when there is already an open move request on a talk page. Instead, please participate in the open discussion.
• Unregistered and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are typically processed after seven days. If consensus supports the move at or after this time, a reviewer will perform it. If there is a consensus not to move the page, the request will be closed as "not moved." When consensus remains unclear, the request may be relisted to allow more time, or closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

• Making an uncontroversial move – if you can, be bold and do it yourself! If you can't, see § Requesting technical moves.
• Renaming a category – propose the move at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.
• Renaming a stub template – propose the move at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.
• Renaming an image or other file – see Wikipedia:Moving a page § Moving a file page.
• Moves from draft namespace or user space to article space – Unconfirmed users: add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the article. See Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Confirmed users: Move the page yourself.
• Merging two articles – make a request at Wikipedia:Proposed mergers, or be bold and do it yourself.
• Splitting an article – make a request at Wikipedia:Proposed article splits, or be bold and do it yourself.
• Requesting that page histories be merged – list them at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge.
• Contesting a move request close – use the Wikipedia:Move review process.

Undiscussed moves

Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

• No article exists at the new _target title;
• There has been no previous discussion about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
• It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with a prior bold move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move yourself. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Uncontroversial proposals

Only list proposals here that are clearly uncontroversial but require administrator help to complete (for example, spelling and capitalization fixes). Do not list a proposed page move in this section if there is any possibility that it could be opposed by anyone. Please list new requests at the bottom of the list in this section and use {{subst:WP:RM2|Old page name|Requested name|Reason for move}} rather than copying previous entries. The template will automatically include your signature. No edits to the article's talk page are required.

If you object to a proposal listed here, please relist it in the #Incomplete and contested proposals section below.

• Space trading and combat simulation games → Space trading and combat simulator — In keeping with Space simulator, Flight simulator, Train simulator, etc. —SharkD (talk) 14:52, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Currently under AfD. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

• Rebecca de Mornay → Rebecca De Mornay — Correct spelling. —Timeineurope (talk) 01:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Incomplete and contested proposals

• Lluis Claret → Lluís Claret

• Listed on November 14; incomplete. Dekimasuよ! 00:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

• Master Musicians of Jajouka This should be changed to the name of the group the page represents. Master Musicians of Jajouka featuring Bachir Attar . The former name does not represent the commercial troupe that the page represents who trade as Master Musicians of Jajouka featuring Bachir Attar. opiumjones 23 (talk) 00:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• Incomplete, contested. Dekimasuよ! 00:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

• Civil Air Patrol → United States Air Force Auxiliary Civil Air Patrol - This is the official U.S. Air Force title for it's civil air patrol (CAP) United States Air Force Auxiliary Civil Air Patrol. Neovu79 (talk) 04:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

• Contested. Dekimasuよ! 00:37, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

• Lists of basic topics, Lists of topics, and List of glossaries were moved to portal space completely out of the blue and without any discussion taking place prior to the move. A discussion is underway at Wikipedia:Lists concernng the apparent contradiction between lists and WP:ASR (the guideline cited as the reason of the move). Please move the lists back to their original locations until it is decided they should be moved from their original locations. Thank you. The Transhumanist 22:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

  The main discussion over which namespace they belong in is at Wikipedia talk:Contents. I've asked for help with this issue at dozens of places over the last few months (namespace/list policypages, pumps, mailing list, individual admins, an RfC) without any solid consensus that The Transhumanist agrees with developing. More feedback there would be much appreciated. The other discussion that TT refers to is at Wikipedia talk:Lists#Contradiction between Wikipedia:Lists and Wikipedia:Avoid self-references. --Quiddity (talk) 21:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

• I would recommend asking for opinions at the village pump. Dekimasuよ! 07:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• Like I said, I've done that already. Literally asked at 3 policy talkpages, 1 rfc (posted for double-length), the pump (policy), the mailing list wikien-l, and individually asked a few admins. Like dab says, TT is a hard-sell ("filibustering") on whether we have consensus already (I believe that there is: 11 editors (5 of them admins) vs 2 (TT and Phoebe), if counting). Regarding this move, he even posted on ANI (plus 4 other places). If you want to remove this request from this page, that's fine by me (I didn't due to involvement, and instead just added context). If you'd like to help with the discussion too, that'd be even better :) -- Quiddity (talk) 18:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• I apologize for my lack of reading comprehension. I think what happened is that I noticed the move request from mainspace to portal space for the mathematics topics in the backlog below, and I believed that discussion there should be superceded by the outcome of this one... but looking through the linked talk pages, it didn't appear that discussion was ongoing, or that a conclusion was reached, so I typed a generic suggestion without examining things further. Dekimasuよ! 04:43, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

• A mass move proposal is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Rank articles: capitalization of title. Fram 14:15, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Other proposals

November 20, 2007

• • List of massacres → List of mass killings —(Discuss)— Remove need for editing warring caused by the fact that "massacre" is ill-defined (Sarah777 (talk) 00:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC))

November 19, 2007

• Vicente Fernandez (golfer) → Vicente Fernández (golfer) —(Discuss)— add accent mark to title. Bart133 ^{(t) (c)} 00:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

• Alhidade → Alidade —(Discuss)— Current name is very obscure - new name is much more common. —Michael Daly (talk) 22:28, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
• Sonoma GT → GMC Sonoma GT —(Discuss)— For the simple reason that the manufacturer's name is missing as per naming convention —Willirennen (talk) 19:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

• Isuzu Trooper → Isuzu Bighorn —(Discuss)— Nominating as naming convention favors domestic name. The Bighorn according to the Japanese wikipage and the vehicle's official domestic site is the domestic name, wheras the Trooper is its export name —Willirennen (talk) 19:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

• Parliament Hill → Parliament Hill, Ottawa —(Discuss)— Parliament Hill should be used to disambiguate this place name: Parliament Hill, London is a very famous location in London, England. — MapsMan [ talk | cont ] — 13:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC) 13:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

• Pizote → White-nosed Coati —(Discuss)— Pizote is a regional Spanish name for the species, White-nosed Coati is the English name. Several others have proposed this on talk. —VanTucky ^Talk 04:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

• Brandon (town), Vermont → Brandon, Vermont — Towns in New England are of much greater importance than its same named CDP, which is the only name conflict. A dab note can simply be placed at the top of the page. —--Polaron | Talk 00:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

November 18, 2007

• Martin Caballero → Martín Caballero —(Discuss)— move article to page with accent —F3rn4nd0 ^{(Roger - Out)} 20:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)--F3rn4nd0 ^{(Roger - Out)} 20:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Quotations → Help:Quotations —(Discuss)— It appears to be more akin to a help page than a guideline — Steve block Talk 17:32, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

• Busch Series → Nationwide Series —(Discuss)— The last race of this circuit has been run under the Busch Series name, and thus the name change is now official to Nationwide Series. —AEMoreira042281 (talk) 13:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

• Robin Hood Episode Seven → Show Me the Money (Robin Hood episode) —(Discuss)— Episode name is "Show Me the Money". The current page name of "Robin Hood Episode Seven" is both ambiguous and contrary to wikipedia naming conventions. Show Me the Money (Robin Hood episode) currently redirects to Robin Hood Episode Seven. —Whitepaw (talk) 12:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

• Haggerston, Greater London → Haggerston —(Discuss)— This now links to a disambiguation page that contains this article and a red link. Somebody moved the items, and there are now 50 odd articles pointing to a disambiguation page (undone pending outcome of this request). I feel insufficient care was taken in moving this page to its current name and insufficient discussion considering the consequences. —Kbthompson (talk) 11:32, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

• Might and Magic franchise → List of Might and Magic titles —(Discuss)— This is a list of titles in a franchise, so the title of the article should reflect that —Mika1h (talk) 11:00, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

November 17, 2007

• WeatherSTAR XL → Weather Star XL —(Discuss)— The unit is named "Weather Star XL" in The Weather Channel's offical support site, located under the references section in the article. —MikeM2010 (talk) 21:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• Act of Settlement 1701 → Act of Settlement, 1701 —(Discuss)— That way, it looks like the Petition of Right, 1628 and besides, I would not want to upset the many users already on the talk page... —~user:orngjce223 how am I typing? 18:06, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• Bălţi → Balti — (Discuss) — English language spelling (please check: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9012051/Balti). The Balti (disambiguation) is already created —Moldopodo (talk) 16:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• Two Hearts in ¾ Time → Two Hearts in Waltz Time —(Discuss)— Move requested to the actual English language title of this film, which is Two Hearts in Waltz Time - the present article title is a literal translation of the German film name (with a misused "¾" symbol thrown in for good measure). The title Two Hearts in Waltz Time already exists as a redirect, but has been edited, which stops me from doing the move myself —HeartofaDog (talk) 00:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

November 16, 2007

• Jallianwala Bagh massacre → Amritsar Massacre —(Discuss)— Page was originally moved against policy to its current location, where a poll was undertaken to move it back to its common english name rather than its name in India. After the poll ended in a dead heat, no action was taken. The main argument being put forward against the move was a wikipolicy (that was not written down anywhere) that meant local form was preferred over common English useage and that Amritsar Massacre was only prefered in western text books. Amritsar Massacre is clearly the common English name (as net searches and checking of history books will reveal) and the incorrect move to Jallianwala Bagh should finally be fixed. —-- Narson (talk) 17:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC) -- Narson (talk) 17:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who#Soundtrack moves -- Bring articles in line with other soundtrack articles. The WP is only used as a matter of convenience. --Will ^(talk) 13:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Doctor Who: Original Televsion Sountrack → Doctor Who (2006 soundtrack)
  • Doctor Who: Original Televsion Sountrack - Series 3 → Doctor Who (2007 soundtrack)

• Åland → Åland Islands —(Discuss)— General and traditional usage in English, United Nations recognises the autonomous province as "Åland Islands" [1], Finnish state (in English texts) [2]. Anyway, I sort of have already thought it's obvious that it is Åland Islands in English, since Åland doesn't really tell anything to an English-speaker.--Pudeo⺮ 13:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC) —Pudeo⺮ 13:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

• (həd) p.e. → Hed PE —(Discuss)— Per WP:MOS-TM, we should avoid special characters like the schwa in titles, particularly when they are only used for decoration (the schwa here doesn't make a schwa sound). Separately, WP:MOS-TM says that trademarks starting with lowercase letters should always be capitalized, and that terms that aren't acronyms should only have their first letters capitalized. The band's record company refers to it as "HED PE", "Hed P.E.", "(hed) p.e." and "Hed PE". I have no strong feelings about including the periods, but it seems clear that the current title is not preferred by the MOS. This change would also affect several other articles: (həd) p.e. (album), Blackout ((həd) p.e. album), Insomnia ((həd) p.e. album), The Best of (həd) Planet Earth, and (həd) p.e. discography. —Dekimasuよ! 07:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

November 15, 2007

• Sun Conure → Sun Parakeet —(Discuss)— All major authorities use the name Sun Parakeet (not Sun Conure), e.g. the South American Classification Committee, Clements check-list of Birds of the World, Sibley & Monroe check-list of Birds of the World, Howard & Moore check-list of Birds of the World, Handbook of Birds of the World, BirdLife International, etc. Additionally, all recently published field guides to the region where this species occurs also use Sun Parakeet, these being Birds of Northern South America (Restall et al, 2006), Birds of Venezuela (Hilty, 2003), Aves do Brazil (Sigrist, 2006) and Birds of South America - Non-Passerines (Mata et al, 2006). Hence the recommendation of a move of this article —Rabo3 21:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

• The Football League → Football League —(Discuss)— While the organisation's logo includes the definite article, it is not commonly included in regular speech, and should be removed from the article name per WP:NCD. —- PeeJay 19:28, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

• Big Bushkill Creek → Bush Kill —(Discuss)— move over redirect to official USGS name —18:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)Kmusser

• Advanced Pressurized Water Reactor → AP1000 —(Discuss)— The article was originally about the Westinghouse Electric Company's AP1000 nuclear power plant. Somehow it became twisted into something about the general "Advanced Pressurized Water Reactor" concept which is covered by the Generation III reactor reactor page. All references to AP1000 redirect to this page currently--it should be about the AP1000. This has been discussed on the talk page with no objections. —Lwnf360 04:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Backlog

Move dated sections here after five days have passed.

• Detective Conan: The Fourteenth _target → Case Closed the Movie: The Fourteenth _target —(Discuss)— According to the precedent in Talk:Case Closed#Requested move, all names in this series should use the English dub version if available. FUNimation has released this movie for a year under the proposed name ([According to the precedent in Talk:Case Closed#Requested move, all names in this series should use the English dub version if available. FUNimation has released this movie for a year under the proposed name (Amazon.com), hence the precedent should be followed. Amazon.com]), hence the precedent should be followed. —Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 21:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Detective Conan: The Time-Bombed Skyscraper → Case Closed the Movie: The Time-Bombed Skyscraper —(Discuss)— According to the precedent in Talk:Case Closed#Requested move, all names in this series should use the English dub version if available. FUNimation has released this movie for a year under the proposed name (Amazon.com), hence the precedent should be followed. —Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 21:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Bakerloo line → Bakerloo Line —(Discuss)— Restore Wikipedia naming conventions as this is not a unique brand like iPod. Also nominated all LU line pages. —Regan123 20:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Fan Dub → fandub —(Discuss)— This is the more (far) more common name per a google test —Martijn Hoekstra 19:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Châtelet - Les Halles (Paris RER) → Châtelet–Les Halles (Paris RER) —(Discuss)— The current name, with a spaced hyphen, definitely does not follow Wikipedia guidelines regarding hyphens (WP:HYPHEN). It seems to me that, en anglais, the current usage is an en dash (WP:DASH). However, I am not sure on whether we should go by what it's called en français, and I don't know about French grammar enough to know what is the correct option. The only source on this page is a PDF that shows an unspaced hyphen. —Kelvinc 06:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Sheepmeat → Lamb (meat) —(Discuss)— article covers lamb, hoggett and mutton, disagreement about what the article should be called —Ewlyahoocom 02:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• DirectRevenue → Direct Revenue —(Discuss)— The company spelled it as 2 words, as indicated at their official website linked from the article (however, that already exists and had history before it was made a redirect to the one word spelling) —RJFJR 02:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Monarchy in Jamaica → Jamaican monarchy —(Discuss)— Decide on a common format for all Commonwealth realm monarchy articles and make all necessary moves. —G2bambino 20:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
  • The debate has indeed been a discussion of the title format for all articles relating to the monarchies of the Commonwealth realms. Please contribute at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject British Royalty. — AjaxSmack 01:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

• Ashkenazi intelligence → Claims of Ashkenazi intelligence —(Discuss)— The current title treats a controversial claim, who's original authors (Chochran et al.) admit lacks empirical evidence, as if it were a fact. The new section heading would reflect the controversial nature of the topic. —pedro gonnet - talk - 13.11.2007 14:41 14:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (disambiguation) → Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints —(Discuss)— Suggest removing the "(disambiguation)" from the name of the page so that it conforms with the DAB guidelines. The un-disambiguated term already redirects to this page and so the move is likely to be relatively non-controversial. —Ubi Terrarum 22:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• RJ 100 → DZRJ-FM —(Discuss)— I'm in a way, making this for ALL Piony radio stations which have articles which use their brand names as the article name. To have consistancy with all other radio station articles that have call letters, I think they should ALL be moved to their respective call letters as their article name. —ViperSnake151 14:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• vampire films → vampires in film and television —(Discuss)— Already covers television, and is the main articles for the vampires in film and television section of the vampire article. —Gordon Ecker 00:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• Nobel Prize in Economics → Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences or Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics —(Discuss)— Resolve longstanding dispute because the most common name for this prize is arguably ambiguous and "incorrect." This proposal uses a recognizable compromise title that showed promise on a subpage debate. Cool Hand Luke 01:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

• Lists of mathematics topics → Portal:Mathematics/Lists —(Discuss)— There are some previous discussions on where to move this page in the talk page archive, but that was apparently before considering a move to portal namespace (I'm not even sure that namespace existed at the time). Then there was a move without apparent discussion in 2006: [3]. Compare ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:Lists. I think Portal namespace suits very well here, per the description at Wikipedia:namespace#Portal: "The portal namespace (prefix Portal:) is for reader-oriented portals that help readers find and browse through articles related to a specific subject. It also may contain links to encourage readers to contribute to relevant WikiProjects". Note also that the current page name (in plural) is not consistent with WP:NC#Prefer singular nouns —Francis Schonken 00:34, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

• Anton Golovaty → Antin Holovaty —(Discuss)— Correct name of person —Ostap 01:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• Male' Atoll → Malé Atoll —(Discuss)— spelling correction; the correct spelling now redirects to Kaafu Atoll, of which Malé Atoll is a subset —Tamfang 23:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Jonathan Edwards (theologian) → Jonathan Edwards —(Discuss)— This should be the primary page rather than one among several on the disambig page since nearly all the links to the disambig page should go to this one. Cf. WP:DISAMBIG#Primary_topic. —Flex (talk/contribs) 17:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Eduardo Perez → Eduardo Pérez —(Discuss)— Unclear which form of the name should be used. —Carcharoth 14:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Asha → Asha (Zoroastrianism) —(Discuss)— I am proposing a move of existing “Asha” article to “Asha (Zoroastrian principle)” and the new “Asha” or “ASHA” has to be re-directed to “Asha (disambiguation)” page. (existing ASHA also to move later) This is because I see that a variety of Asha's with distinctive senses. —Avinesh Jose 07:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Sophie of Sweden → Princess Sophie of Sweden —(Discuss)— WP:NC(NT) specifies, for females, the current form of this article's name (Sophie of Sweden) for the following: empresses-regnant, queens-regnant, empresses-consort, queens-consort and princesses around or before the 17th century. Sophie was "only" a grand duchess and in practise, and cited as in accordance with WP:NC(NT), articles for consorts below the rank of queen are moved to the form Title Givenname of Place. —Charles 05:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Premier of the Republic of China → President of the Executive Yuan —(Discuss)— The current name isn't either common or official, the common name Premier of Taiwan, is more controversial for the Pan-Blue Wikipedians, so I suggest moving this article to the official name President of the Executive Yuan. —Jerry 21:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

• Spice World (film) → Spice World —(Discuss)— Spice World currently redirects to Spiceworld (the album) with a hat to Spice World. This seems backwards to me. The movie is definitely better known, and the space/capital configuration is the proper spelling for the movie but improper for the album. A move to Spice World for the movie with a hat disambig at the top would suffice. — Revolving Bugbear (formerly Che Nuevara) 22:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

• Western concert flute → Flute —(Discuss)— overwhelming weight of modern usage (just ask google or any search engine) —Blouis79 21:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

• 64 de Hakken! Tamagotchi Minna de Tamagotchi World → Tamagotchi 64: Minna de Tamagotchi World —(Discuss)— Tamagotchi or a N64 discovery Tamagotchi, are descriptive notes above the tile. —Floppydog66 21:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

• The University of Southern Mississippi → University of Southern Mississippi —(Discuss)— Relist to gather additional voices. I believe there was already sufficient agreement to move, despite one dissent, but would welcome further comments. —Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

• I forgot to list these on the day (10:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)) that I requested the move, but here they are. These are all requested moves to bring them inline with the current naming convention pertaining to film series. Some of these have yet to be contested, however there are some exceptions. I am putting them together here, however, it is best that they be discussed individually. - LA @ 10:57, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Mediocre American Man Trilogy → Mediocre American Man (film series) — (discuss)

• All discussions except this one have been closed, so I have removed the long list. Dekimasuよ! 05:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

• Militsiya → Militia (Police) —(Discuss)— The term Militia was used in many former communist states in their respective official languages. Currently it is not clear what perspective the article deals with: Only the ex-Soviet and/or the modern Russian one? Or it includes the Eastern Bloc countries such as Poland which had the Milicja Obywatelska and the Non-Aligned SFR Yugoslavia which had its own Milicija? All of these countries regardless of their differences adopted the term "militia" for their police forces following the same Bolshevik Leninist example: The usage of the term "militia" for "police", despite its original military conotation, originates from early Soviet history, when the Bolsheviks intended to associate their new law enforcement authority with the self-organization of the people and to distinguish it from the "bourgeois class protecting" police. A decision should be made: either the article will deal with the Russian police only OR it will deal with all the (former) communist police forces named Militia regardless of the country. Moreover the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (Ministry of Police) has its own article with a detailed overview of the history of law enforcement in Russia. —Dzole 02:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)