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Colias croceus, also known as the clouded yellow, is a small butterfly of the family Pieridae, the yellows and whites. Its breeding range is North Africa and southern Europe and eastwards through Turkey into the Middle East, but it occurs throughout much of Europe as a summer migrant, sometimes as far north as Scandinavia. In Asia, its range extends into central Siberia in the north and barely into India in the south, although it is not found in Central Asia. The species can live in any open area in the countryside, including downland, coastal cliffs and fields containing the caterpillar's host plants, at an elevation up to 1,600 metres (5,200 ft) above sea level. Colias croceus has a wingspan of 46–54 millimetres (1.8–2.1 in), with the upperside of its wing being golden to orange yellow with a broad black margin on all four wings and a black spot near the centre forewing. This mating pair was photographed in Pirin National Park, Bulgaria.Photograph credit: Charles J. Sharp

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Aubrey O'Day gay rumors

AniMate, I was hoping that you would not mind weighing in on the current topic in the Talk:Aubrey O'Day#LGBT category? Possibly open to being with women romantically? section of the Aubrey O'Day talk page. Your thoughts on this matter would be much appreciated. Flyer22 (talk) 01:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I just noticed this, though I'm unsure why the orange bar didn't pop up for me. Curse you Wikipedia glitches! I know nothing about Aubrey O'day, though it shouldn't be too hard for me to get caught up to speed. Out of curiosity, are you asking me to do this as a fellow editor or in an administrative capacity. Either way, I won't be able to comment until tomorrow, as I'm about to leave for the evening. AniMate^talk 03:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, AniMate. I'm asking you as a fellow editor, and consider it even better that you are not familiar with her (other than having read about her now, LOL). If this matter becomes an actual problem, then I will probably be asking you as an administrator. Flyer22 (talk) 20:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Belated congrats

Just read that you passed RfA! I find RfAs a bit stressful but your RfA would have been worth a visit. Keep up the good work. -- Banjeboi 06:53, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Geez

Well, after what I have said, it hardly seems to me like a "fond eulogy", as it is not entirely positive. If this creates drama, I will ask for its speedy deletion, but no drama so far. Jonathan321 (talk) 04:35, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, most editors weren't like Eco. He was very unique, and this whole incident has really changed my view of Wikipedia, as Eco was much like an on-wiki older brother to me (We actually were adopted by the same person), and while I find his actions reprehensible (and I now somewhat dislike him), he was a good friend, and I thought that a eulogy would be the best way to get my feelings out and to see what people thought. Jonathan321 (talk) 04:55, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I will move the eulogy to a secret page, but I will not ask for it's removal. Please delete the resulting redirect. Jonathan321 (talk) 05:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I learned my lesson about giving out personal info on the Internet after hearing really scary stories. Jonathan321 (talk) 05:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Need Help

Sorry, see your point. Had two friends die today, not happy by any stretch. Even apologized on the page. One point though, is it possible for someone to please stop some of these discussion because if you read the plot section, it was stifled for really no reason. I won't always be nice every day, but I was wayyyyyyy mean in my previous comment and it was so completely unjustified and I was just upset and angry, particularly at society in general. Pretty sad that I was taking my anger out on online people. Thank you for your time, I probably won't be on here for a while anyways, at least a week.-Tim

Thought about it, a lot. I am good at debating but unless I'm going to do something with it, it's no good. I have tried to read how to perform processes on here. I don't know how to nominate anything for deletion and I am not good at citing or pretty much anything. Basically I am good at proving people wrong. Is there any chance you can somehow help me learn how to perform tasks the right way? I figure if I am telling people they are wrong and I want to get stuff done, I should try to do stuff to the fullest. This is about as close as I will get to being a Jedi's Padawan..yes I said Padawan. Get back to me. I probably won't be on here for a week due to the events above. Thank you for your time. -Timmyfitz161

Sorry, but...

I think I'm going to make the eulogy public again, for two reasons.

1. The "secret" idea is not working.

2. Nobody else seems to be mad about the eulogy.

I just wanted to let you know in case you had any major concerns that you have not already addressed. Cheers, Jonathan321 (talk) 23:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikia

Hey Dude

It's me P.J., I thought I would message you and tell you that I'm on Wikia now updating the One Life to Live and I could use some help, you think you can help me out? 71.90.130.187 (talk) 21:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but my interactions with you haven't been pleasant and I prefer to stay at Wikipedia. Please don't edit anymore, you've been blocked. AniMate^talk 03:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

It's your loss dude, not mine, was trying to be a friend to you but fine. 71.90.130.187 (talk) 03:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey

Hey man, I'm actually having lunch this weekend with, among others, Norm Rapmund ... by any chance a friend of yours? ;) — TAnthony^Talk 06:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Curse you new message bar for not showing up! Anyway, I've met Norm but I'm far too minor to say we're even familiar. Hope you didn't get drowned by all this rain.--AniMate^talk 07:21, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I have managed to stay relatively dry, how about you? And Norm's a nice guy.

Can you take a look at my comments/warnings at User talk:Montaj13#Trivia and sources here and please let me know if a) I'm being too anal and/or a drama queen, and b) whether this editor's behavior (continued restoration of challenged material and refusal to discuss or use edit summaries) is worthy of a block or other reprimand. I am resisting reporting him/her somewhere because I feel pretty stupid making an issue over — wait for it — the middle names of Dynasty characters and similar trivia, but the refusal to acknowledge any comments or engage in discussion just irks me.— TAnthony^Talk 06:28, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I've been outside alot this weekend, so my raincoat pretty much paid for itself. Your situation reminds me of a fight my boyfriend and I got into a couple of years ago. Needless to say it involved staying in all weekend, Melrose Place, and a surprisingly bitter fight over which character was the best. The next day I was completely unwilling to tell anyone that we were fighting because I couldn't understand why he liked the lameness known as Allison and refused to acknowledge how amazing Sidney was. Complete mortification, so I understand your reluctance to bring this to a broader audience. I'll look over it at some point tomorrow and most likely leave a warning since talk page communication is an absolute must. --AniMate^talk 08:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I left a warning for Montaj13, as I'm frankly more concerned about his lack of communication rather than the content of his contributions. Having already been blocked once for copyvios, he's clearly aware that there are rules to be followed and knows that talk pages exist, so if he continues his behavior let me know and I'll give him a time out. --AniMate^talk 19:09, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks ... yeah, the trivia is annoying but obviously not that big of a deal in the scheme of things; I'm always willing to compromise when there's been some discussion. And he did pretty much stop the copyvio stuff after the block, so perhaps your warning will do some good in this case.— TAnthony^Talk 19:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

PS, do I look familiar to you at all? It suddenly occurred to me that we've probably seen each other around at some point, that happens to me all the time ;) — TAnthony^Talk 19:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

You don't look familiar, but that's not too surprising. When I was actively working in entertainment I rarely saw anyone since my main office wasn't on lot and I never did much networking. Animation is a very different beast, and most of my professional contacts were in Korea. Socially, despite being out of school for a decade, I continually run into my students at concerts and shows... I hate the label, but I'm an aging hipster. We keep telling ourselves we're going to grow up and start socializing like adults, but with a long time boyfriend in music, we mostly go out to dark clubs to listen to indie bands. On the other hand, my students think I'm a rock star. I should probably do more networking and expand my social scene, but life works pretty well right now and gives me enough time to work on actual art rather than comics or kids shows.. --AniMate^talk 19:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

BassPlyr23 - your most recent missive

Ooooh, the Thought Police are on my trail. Come on, man, you know how P.J. was. It's not like he'll ever see what I wrote, because he's permanently blocked, apparently CAN'T be insulted, and never seemed to know how to navigate to other folks' talk pages anyway. A self-absorbed ninny makes insult after insult and is given chance after chance (including being given a free ride while circumventing a permanent block), whilst I make one minor jab and get threatened ("I'll be watching you, etc.")? I don't get it. BassPlyr23 (talk) 13:06, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Riser13

So how many copyvios does it take to get blocked? LOL, see User talk:Riser13. — TAnthony^Talk 00:15, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure you've noticed that I blocked him for a couple of days. Also, good call on the talk page archiving. --AniMate^talk 01:23, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah thanks, I'm glad that one worked out! But where do these people come from?! — TAnthony^Talk 05:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

IP

You may be all over this, but I think it's time this IP was blocked, we've both warned him/her over and over about the fan fiction, and I think it's all this IP has been used for.— TAnthony^Talk 00:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. As much as I love reading about Alison Lansing and Rebecca Bowen, I've given our friend a nice long break. --AniMate^talk 00:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, there's been an ongoing addition of fan fiction to Days and I think GH articles (you may have seen it) ... invented names and some of that "So-and-so returns in 2014 looking for revenge." I collected some of the IPs here but it seems like sort of a large range for a mass block. Perhaps just the most recently active? let me know how you sugest we proceed, I know poor Rm994 is going nuts LOL.— TAnthony^Talk 05:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Confession time: I don't actually know how to do a range block. Don't tell. My best advice is to either go one of the admin boards or maybe Elonka, who has more experience than I do. Just don't suggest they go to Wikia or start a blog. In all seriousness, I'd go the admin board route since the only courses I can see are a huge range block or mass protection of all Days articles. --AniMate^talk 05:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Nolan Gerard Funk

I did check the history. I tried to find the last good edit, but I didn't find one. I figured that since it was such a horrible article that it could be deleted and re-written later. Besides he's only been in one major film (if you even call it a film... (Spectacular!)). moocowsrule^{talk to moo} 05:55, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Hospital Wikia

Wkia Please check out and help developp my Wikia. If you are to join, i will be willing to allow you to be an Admin. --65.92.236.141 (talk) 22:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

No thanks. Considering the number of times I've blocked you, I'm stunned you'd actually think I'd want to work with you. The reason I pointed you to Wikia was because I wanted you to have a place to do all of your silly character names, not so I could participate in them. --AniMate^talk 01:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

PJ :(

Looks like he's been editing a lot lately ...[1] — TAnthony^Talk 20:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not convinced. PJ doesn't strike me as being savvy enough to hop IPs like this. He certainly has edited from different IPs, but I can't see him hopping back and forth like this. Also, one of the references he removed was from soaps.com, which is practically his bible. Finally, the edits he's making aren't typical PJ edits. He mostly just updates lists and de-links dates, and usually only in a very narrow group of articles. Still, I'll keep an eye on the IP as time permits. --AniMate^talk 22:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Dimitri Marick article up for GA

In case you did not already know, I wanted to inform you that the Dimitri Marick article is up for Good Article (GA) review, has been GA reviewed (though it is currently on hold), and will most likely make GA grade. Rocksey significantly improved the article. Once I saw that she had, I suggested that she nominate it for GA status. I gave her some advice on how to further improve it before nominating it, and she did so.

Of course, I wanted the Todd Manning article to be GA (and I still want that), but I know of the work I need to do with that before nominating it again for GA. And there is still some more information and tweaking that I want to do to the Bianca Montgomery article before nominating it for GA. I saw the Dimitri Marick article as a good GA candidate as well (one that needed far less improvement/expansion than the other two), and I quickly let Rocksey know this.

If you have not checked it out, give it a look-over. It is a well-presented article.

I am pleased about this article because it serves as another example of how a good soap opera fictional character article should be (we have few of those). This will be the first American one. And Rocksey has consistently proven herself to be one of the better editors we have working on soap opera articles with us (one of the better editors here in any case). I have been excited about her since the beginning. Flyer22 (talk) 01:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

LOL, I just realized I was late...since it was already apparently listed as GA on March 9, 2009. What I had done was go straight to the review instead of looking at the present state of the talk page. You should have pointed out how late I was, made me look stupid; I would not have minded, LOL.

Oh well. Time for me to list it as another example of GA at WP:SOAPS. Flyer22 (talk) 00:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Afd Aaron Klein

I am not sure if there is some set period of time that Afd's run for, but is there any way for you, an uninvolved admin, to accelerate the decision? The discussion is devolving into petty name calling against the subject of the Afd. See [2] and [3] and [4]. If not possible, oh well, thanks for taking the time to read this, TharsHammar (talk) 09:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I've already commented on the discussion and edited the article, so I am involved. AfDs typically run for five days, though exceptions can be made. Considering some of the things I've seen at them, this is pretty tame. AniMate^talk 09:39, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thank you much. Did not realize you edited the article. Cheers. TharsHammar (talk) 09:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I made one edit. Still, traditionally once an administrator has voiced an opinion at an AfD, they must recuse themselves from taking any action involving the AfD. If you're concerned, you can always take this to WP:AN, though the likely response you're going to get is to just let the AfD run its course. AniMate^talk 09:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup of Supercouple article

If this article is no longer on your watchlist, AniMate, I wanted you to know that I have been cleaning it up/making it more encyclopedic (and with more encyclopedic content, such as with "expert" commentary) since we last discussed it. It still has that one source you don't like in it, but it (the article) is a lot better than it was the last time I talked with you about it.

If you see any wording in the article that you feel you can improve, it would be appreciated if you did.

Thanks for your help back then with this article, as well as with List of fictional supercouples.

I'll see you around. Flyer22 (talk) 20:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Soap Opera Central

Hey, AniMate. I see you removed Soap Opera Central from the Storyline section of the Olivia Spencer and Natalia Rivera Aitoro. Is it because while we concluded that Soap Opera Central is a reliable source for soap opera news, we also stated that its character biographies are written by contributers? I mean, we went over the reliability of Soap Opera Central before at WP:SOAPS, and it was said that using its character biographies for information not all that contested is okay. Though laughable due to SORAS, it is used for Erica Kane's age as well. Do you now feel that there should be another discussion/debate about the use of Soap Opera Central? Flyer22 (talk) 21:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Using an unreliable source for something uncontested is flat out lazy sourcing. If it's notable than an actual reliable source must be found. --AniMate^talk 00:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Does this mean that you feel that Soap Opera Central should not be used to source things such as ages, as is done in the Erica Kane article? If so, do you want this to be discussed/debated again at WP:SOAPS, or rather at the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard (where it was also taken to before)? I mean, as we all know, there are not that many valid sources for soap opera plots by Wikipedia standards, even when aspects of the plot are notable. ABC.com and Soap Opera Central are heavily relied upon for stuff like that here, and Soap Opera Central is fairly reliable even for plot information. Flyer22 (talk) 02:17, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Whats to debate? I get that it's convenient, but no amount of wikilawyering about there not being many sources will change the fact that the website is not a reliable source. --AniMate^talk 03:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

It has been debated before; that is the point; it was obviously debatable then. And it is a reliable source for soap opera news; sometimes actors even do interviews there. Well, at least Kristen Alderson has been known to.

As for using it for plot summaries, I simply do not see the big deal. The site picks its contributers and it cannot be edited like Wikipedia is edited. I am not big on plot summaries being sourced, anyway. The best film articles (and other good articles in general having to do with fiction) on Wikipedia do not have sourced plot summaries, and I really do not see why any other plot summaries should be sourced (unless it is in real-world style) if film plot summaries do not have to be. Yeah, yeah, I get that the public has easier access to films to know what is true or not than they have to soap opera episodes, but still... Most soap opera fans would correct something in the plot if they saw it as wrong, regardless, just as viewers of films would and do.

I do not mind if you are against using Soap Opera Central in whatever way; I was simply relaying to you that WP:SOAPS has been over this before (that is if you did not already know), and that I feel that plot summaries are not something to be so strict about when it comes to sourcing. But oh well.

We have not agreed on most things Wikipedia-wise, anyway. Take care. Flyer22 (talk) 21:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I gave some advice to the creator of the Olivia Spencer and Natalia Rivera Aitoro article about this. Since the conversation discusses you and your feelings on this matter in a valid light, I felt it was right to inform you of this and that you may want to know about it. Flyer22 (talk) 23:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

BAMForBeginners.com

I am not sure that that site is not allowed to be included in the External links section simply because it features YouTube, despite WP:COPYRIGHT. Plenty of valid sites also include YouTube clips. And WP:YOUTUBE is a case-by-case instance. I have been close to all over Wikipedia in the two years I have been here, and I know that fansites have been allowed to be included in the External links sections of some good articles here; I would not be surprised if a few of those sites have a YouTube clip on them.

I am thinking about taking this matter somewhere where I can get various thoughts on it. I am not against you removing the site if most other editors agree with you about it being removed, though. Flyer22 (talk) 19:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and just so you know...I was not the one who linked to BAMForBeginners.com; it was Seanpaune two years ago. He is the creator of that site. He is hardly ever on Wikipedia, though. Thus, I really cannot discuss this with him.

I will let you know when I take this matter to a place on Wikipedia where I can get various thoughts about it. Seanpaune, however, would probably be thought as having a WP:Conflict of interest for adding that site. Flyer22 (talk) 19:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

You open the site and it features copyrighted material. Its not even questionable. The exceptions are generally only for relevant non-copyrighted works or if the copyright holder has released the videos to Wikipedia or the public domain. AniMate^talk 22:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

From WP:ELNEVER (restrictions on linking):

Material that violates the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website has licensed the work. Knowingly directing others to material that violates copyright may be considered contributory infringement. If you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work. Linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work sheds a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors. This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates its creator's copyright. (emphasis theirs)

And from WP:ELNO (links to be avoided):

Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority (this exception is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for biographies).

Seems pretty clear to me. AniMate^talk 23:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

AniMate, when you go over Wikipedia policies to me, do you believe that I am not aware of them? When I state things such as "YouTube is a case-by-case instance," that is because WP:YOUTUBE says that and I have seen it on Wikipedia with editors you probably would respect a whole lot more than me. I do not say things here simply to "game Wikipedia."

But I am through with this. If I ever add that site back, it will be due to having talked it over with several well-respected Wikipedians who did not object to the action. Flyer22 (talk) 18:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Helen Jones-Kelly

Thanks for removing that section. It was a blight.Bruno23 (talk) 13:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Vacay

So where'd you go? Have a relaxing time, check in when you're back ;) — TAnthony^Talk 23:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I should say I'm on "vacation", since I just came home to be in a wedding. As for relaxing... well I just had the worst fight I've had with my dad since highschool, so... not so much. Gav is hiding at one of my old friends houses, and right now there's a very pointed silence in our house punctuated by loud closings of doors. It's extra weird because I don't fight with my parents, so the bf is freaked out thinking I had the perfect family dynamic. Sigh. Anyway, don't know if you've noticed, but PJ thinks we're all idiots. Also, don't know if you have an opinion on this or not, but Flyer22 and I had a nice spat over YouTube links two sections above. Do you have an opinion on the issue? --AniMate^talk 22:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Yikes, well that sucks! Hopefully the family drama will blow over or at least be politely ignored, as it tends to ...

And yes, I saw PJ's latest declaration, and resisted the temptation to comment; I end up saying the same thing over and over! Sorry you have to bother with the 3-month alert, but the effort is appreciated! Unfortunately, I don't know that he will ever truly give up. Sigh.

As far as the YouTube stuff goes, the policy is pretty clear. And I wouldn't agree with Flyer that use of these links is exactly "case-by-case," because acceptable uses are few and far between. But Flyer is vertainly acting in good faith and just trying to make sure policy is being interpreted correctly and that we have some consensus. I don't know that it would have even occurred to me that BAMForBeginners.com itself was inappropriate per policy. And I would guess that though YouTube and fansites may be linked in somes articles, these uses just haven't been discovered yet by editors with a more thorough and finicky grasp of the policy (we all know how the soap-related articles themselves are proof that content deserving of removal for one reason or another can remain unnoticed for a long time). I didn't look at any related article history, but I know your attention to detail and know you wouldn't just strike a link without assessing it's appropriateness ;) — TAnthony^Talk 00:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

We've opened a bottle of wine, so hopefully all will be well soon. During conflicts with my family, we always try to find a delicate balance between polite and too polite. Hopefully in a couple of glasses of wine too polite will turn into graciously ignoring the problem. The hilarity of the situation is that the fight is over absolutely nothing, though most family squabbles one can joke about usually are. Poor Gav has no idea what he's in for, as he's the only one any of us can safely talk to right now and will undoubtedly be the focus of all dinner conversation tonight. We both agree that we deserve a real vacation though, as most of our trips either involve my family or his work. So keep your fingers crossed for Europe this summer, though with finances tight Tijuana seems more likely. AniMate^talk 00:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, poor Gav, I have been in his position! What does he do that gets you guys to travel? Y'know what, sometimes even a tiny trip like TJ or just a motel down the street can do wonders, it's all about escaping your life if for only a moment ;) I've given that advice many times as it has helped me. It's very funny this should come up, I just did a little personal escape myself like a week ago, and being by myself in a "strange" (but nearby) environment really helped me get a grip! Long story I can go into later, but basically several personal dramas snuck up on me at once and I needed to not be me. Some were admittedly stupid but one was truly soapworthy (and involved Mexico, hmmm, are you psychic??) ... anyway, hope it all works out and I'm wishing upon a star you make it to Paris, LOL — TAnthony^Talk 03:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

In regards to fansites being allowed in some Wikipedia articles, I was speaking of articles that are of Good Article status and where the editors of those articles do have a "thorough and finicky grasp" of Wikipedia policies.

I am a little offended by being put into the following sentence behind the one about PJ regarding the context above, LOL, but welcome back, AniMate. Flyer22 (talk) 21:56, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

LOL, no one meant to associate you with PJ in that regard! — TAnthony^Talk 00:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Another editor

User:Greatdaysfan sent me a message on 4/14/09, seeking help with a problem they are having with an editor. I don't know what this is about, and told them to seek help from an administrator. So I am going to send them here if that is okay? Thank you! --OLTL2002 (talk) 23:13, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Having trouble with another editor

i'm Greatdaysfan and i Really hope you can help me. You see, I'm having trouble with the IP number 71.236.53.51. He or she edits ocassionally the episode number on the General Hopspital template to a episode number a few days ahead of the current one. It's really annoying, and I tried to talk to that person, but he or she will not answer. even the date of the same template is changed. Can you help me give that person a warning, so that he or she not continue doing this accordning to me wrong thing? I would appreciate if you would contact me about this on my talk page. Greatdaysfan (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2009 (UTC)