Wikipedia talk:Requested moves

Backlog and Relisting

I'd like to suggest that anything in backlog for more than a week be relisted.

Than anything that has been relisted thrice be

• closed as no consensus

or

• have a RFC posted on it in place of RM, if there's sprightly activity after what would be 6 or 7 weeks of being listed (backlog, relist, waiting in backlog, relist, etc). (allowing another 4 weeks of listed discussion before closure)

65.94.77.11 (talk) 12:39, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

• That would seem to make sense.--Kotniski (talk) 06:45, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
• Agree, with the caveat about "no consensus" closes I just requested below. --Born2cycle (talk) 18:54, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Closing admins: request for "no consensus" decisions

This is a request I make of all RM proposal discussion closing admins... when you close a discussion as "no consensus", please explain why there is no community consensus. The lack of local consensus - lack of consensus among those actually participating in the discussion and !voting - is usually obvious, but the lack of community consensus about what to do when there is no local consensus is not as obvious.

In ENGVAR cases, for example, we're often supposed to go back to the variety of English used by the original contributor when there is no local consensus about which title/variety of English to use. But in many other cases while those participating might not agree, naming policy and guidelines which is presumably supported by community consensus might clearly indicate one particular title.

So, please, don't just say "no consensus". Make sure there is no "community consensus" about what to do as well as no local consensus. Then if you still think it's really "no consensus", explain why there is no default community consensus that applies in that case either. This can ultimately help identify holes in naming policy and guidelines. Thanks! --Born2cycle (talk) 18:53, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Putting a requested move tag on the article itself.

Is there a template to put a tag on the article page itself saying that a move has been requested? I’m concerned that notices on the article talk page and the Wikipedia:Requested moves page will not generate enough response.
This comes up because there is an editor who has been making dozens of name changes, many of them controversial, based on “no common name”, and several editors have been responded by asking him to request moves first [1][2][3][4][5]. However if his move request is not seen by people who read the article, and therefore generates no discussion, it may give the false impression that the topic is not well known enough to have a common name.--Wikimedes (talk) 23:52, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

You can add {{movenotice}} to the top of the article. GB fan 23:56, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks.--Wikimedes (talk) 05:48, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

RFC ar Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English)

There has been a brewing issue at WP:RM over WP:HOCKEY recommendations and how they should be applied over WP:COMMONNAME and WP:UE. Basically the hockey recommendation is that Diacritics shall be applied to all player pages, where appropriate as for the languages of the nationalities of the players in question. This is in fact a mandate that does not allow consideration of any other policy on naming. I think we need to resolve the issue of which naming convention we use for ice hockey players. Is it the one for the names of everyone else based on existing policy and guidelines, or do we have a blanket exception for one project? Please go to Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(use_English)#RFC_on_hockey_names per Vegaswikian (talk) 00:53, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Historical revisionism (negationsim) [sic] → Historical revisionism (denial)

I tried to fix the misspelling in this RM, but couldn't find how to do it, no matter how I interrogated the source where the "discuss" link led. Can we please have such things sorted out early in the process? They are a distraction from the real work. Noetica^Tea? 22:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Refactor of header

I have boldly refactored the header. I always found it confusing as a newbie, because it suggests that moves should be requested on this page, when in fact the request is placed on the article talk page. So I have edited the text to emphasise WP:RM as a "process" not a "place to request moves". — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:07, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Also, I didn't discover the "Technical requests" section until today. I never knew about it before, and I've been here for years. So that shows the header really did need some attention. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:55, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Do the instructions for Technical Moves need to be transcluded?

I look at "Technical requests" and I see a request that I want to contest; therefore, I need to move it from "Technical requests" to "Contested technical requests"; therefore, I would like to be able to view both of those sections at the same time, so I can simply cut-and-paste in the same window. Since these are both subsections of "Requesting technical moves", I click "edit" for that section. Except it turns out that when I do that, I'm actually editing the transcluded subpage Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical, which doesn't allow me to see either of the subsections. Apparently the only way I can edit both subsections in the same window, which seems to me to be a pretty natural desire when I'm required to move text from one subsection to another, is to edit the entire page, which is inefficient and doesn't autofill the edit summary to show that I'm editing the technical requests section.

Is there a good reason for the technical move instructions to be transcluded, so that the entire section can't be edited at once? Or, if there is, could the section header be on this page instead of transcluded? Theoldsparkle (talk) 23:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I was told that the headers were transcluded to prevent editors from making mistakes when requesting moves. My solution just now was to make "Contested technical requests" a subsection of "Technical requests", so you can see both when editing. Hopefully I didn't screw anything up! Dohn joe (talk) 00:43, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks Dohn. (This has been bugging me for a while, but I kept forgetting to bring it up.) Jenks24 (talk) 01:19, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Works for me, thanks. Theoldsparkle (talk) 16:36, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Time for contesting

Should there be a minimum time allowed before an admin can proceed with a technical move request? Most of them are carried out within a few hours of getting posted, with no trace left on this page. Does this allow enough time for potential objectors to come along and contest the move? Should there be a 24-hour objection window, or something along those lines? Curious to see what you all think.... Dohn joe (talk) 23:15, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Nah, I don't think so. The majority of requests genuinely are uncontroversial and the admins who carry out the technical requests are generally pretty clued up about naming policies and will object themselves if they think it might not be uncontroversial rather than mindlessly carrying out the move. Jenks24 (talk) 06:12, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Reorganize

Is there a formal process for changing the topic of articles without actually moving them? In this particular case I want to propose clarifying that the "Republic of China" article should be focussed on the government, and making the "Taiwan" article about the modern country. This will be controversial because many editors now see the ROC article as being about the "state" (including the people, borders, etc.) and see the Taiwan article as purely a geograhic article. It will also be controversial due to the political situation. For that reason I believe a formal process would be best. Readin (talk) 22:39, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

You could use WP:RFC for that... 70.24.248.23 (talk) 09:39, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Chaos at a nest of RMs

Rather new user Jab7842 has been closing a complex mess of RMs, and moving pages around. It's total chaos. I went to one talk page to have my say and found it was all over! See affected pages (all involving "o'clock" in some way) listed in the user's contributions. Could an admin please step in and restore order? I reverted one move; but I'm afraid it's a job for a specialist. We need a description of the situation for all articles involved, rather than inscrutable scattered fragments at various RMs.

Noetica^Tea? 10:02, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that is a mess. A more accurate picture can be seen by looking at Jab7842's logs. I tidied up the move that Noetica reverted (as a side note, Noetica, when reverting a page move remember to move the talk page as well as the article), but an admin will be required to check through Jab7842's deleted contribs to make sure nothing of value was deleted (why Jab7842 was moving articles into his userspace, I still don't know). Jenks24 (talk) 10:37, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Jenks. I thought I did move the talkpage by default, but I should have checked. I backed out when I realised how knotted things had become.

Noetica^Tea? 10:57, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

No worries. I just had to revert a move of that article, again. Some more eyes there would be appreciated. Jenks24 (talk) 13:22, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Request for move of "List of pies" article

December 9, 2011 (Discuss) – List of pies → List of pies and tarts. I was not quite sure how you put a new entry here, but I would like to suggest that we rename the article List of pies as "List of pies and tarts". This is because it does not merely include pies, but also tarts, such as the Bakewell tart; it may confuse people if it goes on simply being called "List of pies". Sorry if I was not quite sure how you can enter a new entry here! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 09:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

That's because you don't do the request here, you do it on the article's discussion page: Talk:List of pies. If you correctly follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Rm#Requesting_a_single_page_move, you should be ok.--Aervanath (talk) 20:35, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed the move request. The only problem was that you put square brackets inside the curly brackets of the template. You need only the latter. Station1 (talk) 05:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)