Robert McClenon
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Some baklava for you!
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Thank you
Many thanks for the barnstar, Robert. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:27, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
AN/I
Robert, your edit here is indented so that the questions appear to relate to my post. Your questions have partially been addressed in that section but I'll touch on the basics for you here. The default can be bypassed by editors that do not employ the proper page move procedure. The articles in question were not created by IP users, at least the 3 that I checked. Tiderolls 15:03, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Abbeys
In the later 13th century Wellingborough was included in the well-organized system of sheep-farmingdeveloped by the abbey of Crowland. (fn. 33) In 1291 theprofits of the flocks are specially mentioned amongst theabbey revenues at Wellingborough (fn. 34. This proves the abbey was here it also states the monks moved from crowland and lived and worshipped here, hope this helps you.
From: 'Parishes: Wellingborough', A History of the County of Northampton: Volume 4 (1937), pp. 135-146. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66335 Date accessed: 14 June 2013.Abbot gordon (talk) 20:34, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Also fully :-In the later 13th century Wellingborough was included in the well-organized system of sheep-farmingdeveloped by the abbey of Crowland. (fn. 33) In 1291 theprofits of the flocks are specially mentioned amongst theabbey revenues at Wellingborough (fn. 34) and both sheepand wool were sent to Crowland. The special accountsof the sheep-run, however, end abruptly in 1314, (fn. 35) butwool remained an important factor in Wellingborougheconomy and in 1319 there were 200 sheep on theabbot's demesne. (fn. 36) Probably the demesne lands wereusually leased. (fn. 37) In the 16th century there was still alarge market for wool and fells in the town. (fn. 38) The making of cheese, which formerly made the cheese fair onSt. Luke's Day celebrated, (fn. 39) can be traced back to the13th century when a large number of cheeses wereaccounted for to the abbey. (fn. 40) In 1693, and again in1743, Wellingborough market was the scene of somewhat serious corn riots. (fn. 41) Lace-making was a thrivingindustry until killed by the introduction of machinemade lace, (fn. 42) but at the present day the main industriesof Wellingborough are boot- and shoe-making andironworks. (fn. 43)
From: 'Parishes: Wellingborough', A History of the County of Northampton: Volume 4 (1937), pp. 135-146. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66335 Date accessed: 14 June 2013.Abbot gordon (talk) 20:43, 14 June 2013 (UTC) In the later 13th century Wellingborough was included in the well-organized system of sheep-farmingdeveloped by the abbey of Crowland. (fn. 33) In 1291 theprofits of the flocks are specially mentioned amongst theabbey revenues at Wellingborough (fn. 34. This proves the abbey was here it also states the monks moved from crowland and lived and worshipped here, hope this helps you.
From: 'Parishes: Wellingborough', A History of the County of Northampton: Volume 4 (1937), pp. 135-146. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66335 Date accessed: 14 June 2013.Abbot gordon (talk) 20:34, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Also fully :-In the later 13th century Wellingborough was included in the well-organized system of sheep-farmingdeveloped by the abbey of Crowland. (fn. 33) In 1291 theprofits of the flocks are specially mentioned amongst theabbey revenues at Wellingborough (fn. 34) and both sheepand wool were sent to Crowland. The special accountsof the sheep-run, however, end abruptly in 1314, (fn. 35) butwool remained an important factor in Wellingborougheconomy and in 1319 there were 200 sheep on theabbot's demesne. (fn. 36) Probably the demesne lands wereusually leased. (fn. 37) In the 16th century there was still alarge market for wool and fells in the town. (fn. 38) The making of cheese, which formerly made the cheese fair onSt. Luke's Day celebrated, (fn. 39) can be traced back to the13th century when a large number of cheeses wereaccounted for to the abbey. (fn. 40) In 1693, and again in1743, Wellingborough market was the scene of somewhat serious corn riots. (fn. 41) Lace-making was a thrivingindustry until killed by the introduction of machinemade lace, (fn. 42) but at the present day the main industriesof Wellingborough are boot- and shoe-making andironworks. (fn. 43)
From: 'Parishes: Wellingborough', A History of the County of Northampton: Volume 4 (1937), pp. 135-146. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66335 Date accessed: 14 June 2013.Abbot gordon (talk) 20:43, 14 June 2013 (UTC) Archives
References
I havent removed a reference this evening, i have just reworked it into a template reference.Jason Rees (talk) 22:48, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
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Help with 3RR report?
Thank you for your helpful comment on the help desk about a 3RR violation, actually 4 reverts. Now the subject has disappeared into an archive and I don't know how to find it. I also don't know how to report that problem. Do we ever help each other with such things? I need help with it. That's why I tried a help tag twice on that articles talk page. Not very good at this kind of thing. In all these years, this never happened to me before, but I don't think it should just pass. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:54, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- Replied on my talk page. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 02:38, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
- Does it ever happen, as far as you know, that such reports to the noticeboard are completely ignored by neutral editors? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:53, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Europe
Hello Robert. I'm probably not very good with this editing rules. I left some brief description for the changes I made and I thought it would be sufficient. Anyway regarding the changes, I'm standing 100% behind them. All I have changed on some articles is that I removed e.g. from article "List of European stadiums by capacity" stadiums that are not in Europe. For example there was stadium in Şanlıurfa, Turkey which near border with Syria. My point is if the title says European there is no place for this e.g this stadium on the list. This is nonsense and completely non logical. Like if someone put "Parc des Princes", Paris on the list of North American list just because France has some territories in North America (St.Pierre and Miquelon). I also removed non European countries from various articles that deals with Europe. No matter what some people wish: Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are Asian transcontinental states with small percentage(<3%) of its territories in Europe. Armenia and Cyprus are countries that are completely situated in Asia. Of course, they have strong connections with Europe but also United States has it, but no one will put U.S.A. in e.g article that lists states with their capitals sorted by population. This was a bit lengthy explanation, but hopefully I clarified some things about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wutholen (talk • contribs) 22:28, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
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4 real talk i think median of medians its mine n u took it with errors
ive corected those errors on talk pages of "bfprt" median of medians 1973:wow was it b4 or after moon landing cz it looks u got some inspiration :P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.118.212.93 (talk) 05:05, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
thank u 4 talking to me
4 a real talk also: u may keep any of my ideas if u wish... im just trying to figure it out who is actually doing this to me. i think i got dousines ideas that r both performant n original. u might b aware they rnt quite growing on yards... ok, thnx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.118.212.93 (talk) 14:51, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
ok, thank you 4 bringing some light about my posts or irrelevant notices however you wish to call them. it's not my intention to play extravagant or anything. i like solving "heavy" problems , some sort like some cracker analyst: im talking abt heavy math problem: i could easily switch on Rubik cube or chess mathematization attempts. please relax about that integer factorizationing: its just happening and im sorry better b more careful abt what problems ill have to think in the future, thats all. im sorry if i brought you "free" problems.you may block me from editing if you wish. there is absolutely no problem about that. i got some papers n other "projects" to play with also... bye-bye . Florin 93.118.212.93 (talk) 15:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Just to say supplied more quotes
Hi, you asked for refs for those quotes. I've supplied some more quotes on my talk page in case they are useful.
I doubt if any complaint about Warren's behaviour will help my situation, as I don't think there is any chance that he would stop doing it.
But perhaps it is something that needs attention,I leave it to you to decide and if there is anything I can do to help do say. Robert Walker (talk) 19:34, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Are these sockpuppets?
Hi, I have suspected for a while that Warren Platts and BatteryIncluded might be sock puppets. I know you can't prove it but can disprove it if they don't share an ip address, is it possible to have a go at disproving it?
Reasons for the suspicion
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Caveat - this may be because of a discussion forum I participated in outside of wikipedia where several members of the forum insulted me repeatedly in a similarly OTT way. Warren Platts was in that discussion forum and refers to it. There was no-one on the discussion group called BatteryIncluded and BatteryIncluded has never mentioned that discussion group here. The thing is - why should an uninvolved wikipedian who never knew me outside wikipedia suddenly start insulting me at the same time as Warren Platts? His barrage of insults started on very little basis - a disagreement on the talk page for Life on Mars about cosmic radiation and habitability of the surface of Mars for life - not something that should turn someone into such a hostile opponent of me - not if all he know of me was that i had a different opinion from him about the habitability of the surface of Mars. Curiously BatteryIncluded was one of those who suggested I create the article that was later sent to AfD. He was quite friendly in that first comment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mars_sample_return_mission#Suggestion_for_a_new_article_.22Back_contamination_concerns_for_a_Mars_sample_return.22 but later when Warren Platts started insulting me, that's about the same time that BatteryIncluded also started insulting me. With Warren Platts there was a build up over several posts in the discussion forum first. But with BI unless he was a member of that same forum and has just never said - there was no build up at all and I was quite taken aback by it. Suddenly he was violently hostile to me having been reasonably normal and friendly just a few days before. Here is a sample of BatteryIncluded's insults of me, similar to Warren Platts but more extreme http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Life_on_Mars/Archive_2&oldid=561846450#RfC:_Is_this_an_accurate_summary_of_the_research_on_cosmic_radiation_influx_on_the_Mars_surface.3F
In all my years of editing wikipedia no-one apart from these two editors has ever insulted me or accused me of bias or misusing wikipedia in any way, not even once. And would he start insulting me like that over an important, but still, comparatively minor matter?
BatteryIncluded has an extensive user page - so if it is sock puppetry, Warren Platts would be the sock puppet and probably his real name.
Battery Included made just one Delete on the AfD plus a reply but it was a strongly worded Delete. Without him it would have been a strong keep from me, a strong delete from Warren Platts, and a weak keep from N2e plus several new votes on the last day that might well have been swung by a different consensus to date. I don't think it would have closed so soon and I might have had some more keeps if it kept going. But the thing that has finally taken this to slightly more than just a background suspicion is that over the last few days,
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Water_on_Mars&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Life_on_Mars/Archive_2&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Manned_mission_to_Mars/Archive_1&action=history |
Do you see why i am a bit suspicious. But I also know how easily one can be mislead by patterns and coincidences and on balance think it is just a coincidence.
For instance, they don't use the same text (Create archive rather than Arhiving). To me that suggests different people. Obviously think rather similarly to each other but probably different people.
Perhaps they are pals outside of wikipedia or else Warren saw what BatteryIncluded did and copied him. But is it possible to just get it checked - probably to show that they are not sock puppets?
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Help
Hi, I noticed you were online. I recently created David O. Dykes and it was tagged for a speedy delete before I was finished with it. I have made big changes since then from independent verifiable sources and established credibility. It now has almost 50 references. Could you please take a look at it and tell me if I have saved it and if not what I can do. -RedRaiderApache (talk) 15:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- I know you didn't put the tag on it. I was hoping you could take a look at it. -RedRaiderApache (talk) 15:30, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
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Replied to your question
Sorry I don't do a lot of talking to other editors via their talk pages. Do I need to say something here?
I've answered your request for the diffs here: User_talk:Robertinventor#Posting_to_Talk_Pages
Or - perhaps I should post them here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMars_sample_return_mission&diff=561730149&oldid=561689953
For this one you have to scroll down to 516 in the list of diffs http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AManned_mission_to_Mars&diff=561982672&oldid=561971091
(blanked comment here, after admin's suggestion to blank out corresponding section on my talk page)
Thanks, Robert Walker (talk) 07:26, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Dispute Resolution
I am sorry about the way I behaved on the help desk.
Right now, I don't think that dispute resolution with Warren could work. Possibly after everyone has calmed down, say a couple of weeks from now, and if he is behaving in a more civil way to other editors in the project by then.
But if he starts insulting me again, I will just give up and let him win. Because once that starts, I find that I can't win, that the subject under dispute gets totally obscured by the personal allegations and trying to defend myself, and it is extremely stressful for me.
Also just want to say I have never once in the last month engaged in edit warring. I haven't even done a double revert (except at start of AfD see below). Just did BRD. When he reverses again instead of the D, then I give up on editing the article.
In the AfD when he says I blanked out the page - what actually happened is that I reverted to the last version by me before he removed most of it. He reverted that back to his version. So for the beginning of the AfD the discussion was over whether to delete and merge his version of the article, and he prevented me from making a more substantial article to discuss. I.e. the opposing editor in an edit war who wanted to delete the article was presenting his own version of the article for the AfD.
I did do a second revert there to get back to the version I was working on, since it seemed so clear that I should be able to work on my version for the AD rather than let the decision to delete be made on his version, then he reverted that. Another editor eventually stepped in with a final revert to restore the version that I was working on. That episode is what he is referring to as me blanking out his edit.
See Comment on the AfD. As I understand it, this is not enough to invalidate the AfD, which went through due process. So not attempting to do that just putting the record right about my conduct and so you can understand my frustration with the whole process of the AfD.
I have never once gone against the wikipedia rules for ettiquette. My only thing I did wrong is to write too much in my talk posts.
Right now I am taking a break from any attempt to edit Project Mars or engage in discussion on its talk pages, which is why I am posting this here, where I feel I can say something without being immediately shouted down by my opponent in the debate.
Also thanks for intervening, have seen what you did, and surely it will help in the long term if not right away.
Tip
If you think someone is a sock of he who shall not be named then templates and the like should be avoided. People like that thrive on attention, and shrivel on indifference. This is why I am not using tags and such, so they don't get the "trophy" or reward. If you see me or another SPI clerk reverting someone who looks familiar, you can be sure we are watching. Much of that work is done off the pages here. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Have I done anything wrong?
When you say there was wrong on both sides, have I done anything wrong except to write too much in my posts? I never did any edit warring.
The only thing against wiki policy I know of is that Warren accused me of blanking out the article for the AfD, but what he said there was untrue. What I did was to revert to the last good version before the AfD and before all his edits to trim it, which was surely okay for the editor defending the AfD. He was the only editor in between apart from bots and people correcting typos.
The content I added was in good faith and started with a request, I think it was from farthered, to add material to balance the Manned mission to Mars article which was perceived as biased at the time. The article for the AfD was created after a proper discussion on the talk page for MSR missions decided in its favour.
Was there anything else?