Talk:Same-sex marriage

External Links

The External Links for this article are pretty out of date. Maybe someone could update them. RichardLane2 (talk) 22:46, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

New Zealand

Cooks Islands and Niue are not "New Zealand territories" but self-governing states in free association with New Zealand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.240.170.112 (talk) 10:55, 28 March 2014‎

Rogue counties

Hey, I'm not sure if we should have rogue counties on the timeline so I'm going to remove them. Also, should Australian Capital Territory be kept on the timeline even though same-sex marriage was invalidated..?

Blue Color difficult to see in map

The blue color of "civil union" in the map is too light, i have trouble seeing it. Would it be posibble to change it to a darker shade? Thank you.

"Allow" gay marriage

The text as it stands is misleading as most countries allow gay marriage, and the real issue is that the countries named officially recognize these marriages. Skyhawk0 (talk) 05:41, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Maps

Why the maps of Ukraine without Crimea and Russia with Crimea are used? It is not recognised in any country, so why does Wikipedia use it? Can we change it somehow? Who changed the map recently? Polenebo (talk) 09:10, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

It looks like the map takes into account areas de-facto administered not by the nation-state in question. There are thin lines around Abkhazia, Ossetia and Nagorno-Karabakh. I think that's what's behind it and it makes a certain amount of sense and does not amount to 'recognition' of the legal status of those areas in international law but simply serves to illustrate the situation on the ground. Say for example Ukraine had gay marriage - de-facto you would not be able to get married on the Crimea at the moment because the local Russian admin would refuse to marry you. Akerbeltz (talk) 11:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

United Kingdom [nb 4]

Could we please stop adding the UK to the list of countries that have legalized SSM? England/Wales and Scotland have legalized gay marriage, not the United Kingdom. Someone asked why New Zealand, Netherlands and Denmark are listed, even though they have a similar arrangement with other "countries." Sorry, but they don't. Functionally, New Zealand, Netherlands and Denmark are sovereign nations, whereas England, Wales and Scotland are not...and I can't imagine that the note next to UK on the list saying, essentially, "Northern Ireland doesn't count" is very flattering to Northern Irishman, either. --SchutteGod (talk) 15:10, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, metropolitan Denmark and metropolitan Netherlands don't have a separate legislatures, other than the parliament of the Kingdom of Denmark and the parliament of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, respectively. The law applicable to England and Wales was passed by the UK parliament and is enforced by the UK government, not the regional ones (England don't have its own, separate parliament and government at all). So no, I don't see a difference between UK and the other mentioned countries. Ron 1987 (talk) 22:46, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

When we list the United Kingdom in the template and the pages, it's made abundantly clear that the laws only apply to England, Wales, and Scotland. I don't see what is so unflattering about the Northern Irish being left out. It's simply the reality of their laws. They are listed, along with Jersey, Isle of Man, and Gibraltar as having civil partnerships. Nobody is trying to claim that they are sovereign in their own right. In Denmark, for example, when Greenland votes tomorrow on (and more than likely legalizes)same-sex marriage; we will transfer it from the civil union column to the marriage column, directly under metropolitan Denmark. Chase1493 (talk) 22:52, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

The United Kingdom has legalised same-sex marriage: the British Parliament passed a law which legalises same-sex marriage, however, the law provided opt-outs to Scotland and Northern Ireland due to the complex situation of devolution in the United Kingdom. No real comparison can be drawn between the UK and a federal state, such as the United States or Mexico, since the national parliament legalised SSM. -- Hazhk^Talk 23:56, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

This is the problem we're dealing with here: the United Kingdom did, technically, enact same-sex marriage legislation, but only for England and Wales. (Scotland's law passed through regional assembly.) It passed on the national level, sure, but it is, essentially, regional law. The United Kingdom as a whole does not recognize same-sex marriage, so it should not be listed among the sovereign countries that do. --SchutteGod (not logged in, sorry) 70.181.181.78 (talk) 07:17, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

True, but just like the U.S. states and other countries with overseas territories, we list the jurisdictions that allow it. Once again, Denmark. In addition, The Netherlands, and New Zealand are also shown this way. Chase1493 (talk) 02:13, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Greenland

Greenland approved yesterday the freedom to marry for same-sex couples [+there is a need to change the color in the map]

http://www.freedomtomarry.org/blog/entry/greenland-approves-the-freedom-to-marry-for-same-sex-couples

http://www.edgeboston.com/news/news/177826/marriage_equality_comes_to_greenland — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mboat (talk • contribs) 05:57, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Tamaulipas

In the timeline table, it lists the Mexican state as having full marriage equality from June of 2015, is there any sources to back this up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chase1493 (talk • contribs) 02:09, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Iona Institute

I have reverted the edit that relies on sources by the Iona Institute, which according to its own wiki has been criticised for reliance on invalid interpretations of data to back its claims. - this does not seem to pass Reliable Sources in any shape or form. Akerbeltz (talk) 11:48, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, they do appear to be biased. However, there are many sources for the edit I made, so I reverted it back with a more carefully selected source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyle1009 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I don't see how this Carrasco guy is any better to be honest. He has a degree in sociology but that doesn't make him a reliable source in itself. Akerbeltz (talk) 23:40, 1 June 2015 (UTC)