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Template dispute

Hi. The template is for Turkic speaking nations and entities, the TRNC was placed into parenthesis next to the RoC, a country which is only dejure Turkish speaking. I argued that since the template is not exclusively for recognised states, there is no reason whatsoever to place the TRNC in parenthesis next to a country which is not even Turkish speaking. They argue the brackets are necessary to represent the "illegal" nature of the TRNC.

They seem to think the undue weight policy on WP applies to TRNC due to its non-recognised status, and that apparently makes any mention of the word TRNC or its flag "pov". They cannot seem to understand that the TRNC is not a "view" on which we can have different points. It is a reality, you can walk in it, vote in it, join its army etc. The only pov regarding the TRNC is whether it is legitimate and they dont accept that simply mentioning TRNC does not imply legitimacy. This attitude is the reason so many Cyprus related aritcles end up blocked or in a poor state, and they actually think they are doing us a favour by "letting" have its own article. Thats why i got so pissed off. Thanks, --A.Garnet 19:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Of course the question of whether Garnet honestly believes that any of the views he attributes to "them" are true remains very unclear ;-) //Dirak 20:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

PS NO, a state in northern Cyprus is not a reality, it's a POV interpretation of the reality. All that is a reality is the Turkish occupation. Anything beyond that is a POV, and the claims that you can you can "walk in it, vote in it, join its army..." are also POVs. The reality again is that you can walk in territory under occupation by Turkey claimed to be TRNC by the Turkey... Greek users have been nothing but nice to you, but you just respond with more PA, "fascists", "nationalists"... //Dirak 20:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

As u can see in the template, it is about Turkic-speaking nations and entities with an official Turkic language; in Cyprus Turkish is official. If u think that the entities listed should be only those that have a Turkic-speaking population with more than 51% (id est, not to be considered de jure turkic-speaking-note that there are still turkish cypriots in the Republic-), please remove Altai Republic, Khakassia and Bashkortostan... A.Garnet, sorry, but u have to choose: which entities would u like to see listed? those who have a Turkic-speaking majority or those that have a Turkic language as official? I suppose u would not try to list those who have some Turkic-speaking population (if u do, try adding Germany)...

The template should be exclusively for recognised-something. what u are doing, is trying to legitimise a universally illegal regime, by placing it next to an internationally recognised and sovereign state, with a dash between them (as if they have the same status...). ...and this is clear POV-pushing.

you can [...] join its army: that made me laugh! u mean the 40,000 Turkish troops, who, according to the UN, the EU, USA, etc, etc should immediately leave?

Bare in mind that the protection of the article is not endorcement of the current version. Regards Hectorian 20:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Why not just say something like "the Turkish Cypriot community", include both flags (the one of the Republic of Cyprus, and the one used by the Turkish Cypriots) and link to the Cyprus dispute in a footnote? //Dirak 20:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Theres not much to answer here that has not already been said on the template talk page. Except i did not call you all facists, why lie like that? I called Mitsos a facist...which he is.--A.Garnet 23:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I think this dispute goes beyond just criteria Khoikoi. Its about how does the non-recogniton of the TRNC affects its representation in Wikipedia articles? Some Greek editors have made clear it means going as far as deleting the TRNC article for representing undue weight, which i argued is compeletely irrelevant to states. So in this template on Turkic speaking entities they think it means we should place the TRNC in parenthesis next to a non-Turkic speaking state. Imo this whole play on words for fear of legitimacy is runing the quality of all Cyprus related articles. Look at the TRNC article, it has a totallydisputed tag simply for being called TRNC, just yesterday they believed it deserved a pov-title tag, in the past as you've seen they removed the infobox because it implied legitimacy...The dispute goes beyond a couple of parenthesis, its their whole approach to how they think a non-recognised entity should be represented. --A.Garnet 15:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Sumgait Pogrom

Hey Khoikhoi is this allowed?

The official death toll released by the Office of Public Prosecutor (almost certainly reliable because it tallies with lists of named victims) was 32 people (26 Armenians and 6 Azeris). However, the numbers provided by Armenian media were almost ten times as high. It was estimated that 1,500 killed were in Armenian riots.

Its pretty much saying that the Armenian media is lying when Detroit news stated that can you fix this please? I reverted it and than he called it Vandalism it doesn't seem appropriate.

(almost certainly reliable because it tallies with lists of named victims)

the numbers provided by Armenian media were almost ten times as high

By the way im not taking sides i just want it to be fair its not appropriate he is disregarding the Detroit news and Armenia media if you combine these with out some points it would be good i have more sources but this is enough. I can do the same thing reversing what he said saying the Azeri sources state way less causalities etc its coming from one point of view there fore thats not acceptable. Nareklm 01:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Well the problem is fixed now the other user accepted it and reverted the other users edit so its good know until User:Parishan goes on he might try to revert it, but the article is fine now.

user/discussion page protections

Would you please undo the page protections on my user and discussion pages. Thank you. Canuckster 13:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Possibly Another Willy on Wheels Sockpuppet

Hello Khoikhoi, I was scanning recent changes when I came accross a user page vandal: see diff. He supposedly signed his name Willy on Wheels, so you may want to look at it. Thank you.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 17:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for watching over the Han Chinese article and other articles that User:Snle's socks are editing. Would it be better if you just semi-protected Han Chinese? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Your reverts

Please stop. You're inappropriately reverting without use of talk page. Saying that the link says that is only true for one of the instances of the word occupation but your reverts are blind on all instances. That's inapproriate. Cease it. Amoruso 17:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

articles

Sorry, I did not realise that 110vs911 was banned, I hope this wont turn into an argument as I dont want to cause a disturbance.

Regards.......Tellyaddict 20:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

once again sorry for the stuff between 110vs911, I didn't realise he was blocked and I'd just like to say thanks for your polite approach.

Thanks............Tellyaddict 20:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

24 Hour block

Hey Khoikhoi this user has vandalized and has used cursing a few times is a 24 hour block at least necessary?

Vandalized Turkey's article

Vandalized Turkey's article 2

Vandalized Turkey's article 3

Vandalized Turkey's article 4

Vandalized Turkey's article 5

Blanked his discussion page and removed warning

Cursing Nareklm 21:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Nareklm 21:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

User space protection

Sarah agreed I could remove the suspected sockpuppet sign from my user page. I won't remove the other comments. Canuckster 21:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Edits

Could you please explain your latest edit in Ottoman Empire?! You delete the Persian and Greek versions of the name, although these two languages played an important role in the Ottoman court, while you ignore Pan-Turkist POV eidts like these ones: [1][2] ?!??!?!?! What's wrong with you?! Tājik 23:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

More to come: [3] Tājik 12:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Târgu Mureş

Hi Khoikhoi, thanks for moving Târgu Mureş, and doing most of the necessary changes yourself. Markussep 09:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Weren't you Dagestan before you were Hottentot? It's getting confusing, those identity changes of yours ;-) Markussep 20:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandals

You were struck by a Vandal who called you a "chauvanist" or something similar. Just giving you a heads up. Sincerely Carlo V. Sexron 10:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC) Carlo V. Sexron

pan-?-ism

What do you think about this and this? The first one is definitely a propaganda and pov. The Perso-Islamic culture links to Persian culture and the Iranian Cultural Continent links to Greater Iran. The second one is also a pov and full of weasal words claiming that Azeris are Iranic people who in turn becomes Aryanic but Turkic speaking! In my opion, these are either negationism or pseudo-history? Maybe a new story? Which one? Regards. E104421 11:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

These words from the mouth of someone who tried to falsefy history by claiming that Mughals and Timurids, as well as Safavids were Turks ... see List of Turkic states and empires (which itself as a pure POV article). May I remind you that you were blocked for 48 hours 3 days ago because you were pushing for extreme Pan-Turkistic propaganda and pseudo-history in White Huns?! Why don't you waste your time here instead of reacting to this?! Tājik 13:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Please, stop stalking! Yes, i was blocked for 3RR, but you were also blocked for edit-warring and incivility! E104421 14:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you were also blocked (for 48h) because of propaganda and pseudo-history. May I quote admin User:Future Perfect at Sunrise: "... E, please stop creating that White Huns article. Your own statements on its talkpage show it is a POV fork and as such illegitimate. ...". And do not accuse others of stalking because in here, you are the only one who is stalking on others and who is pushing for pseudo-scientific propaganda. Instead wasting your time on POV-pushing and stalking, use it on constructive discussions. You had 3 days to comment on the Mughal issue, yet your purposely ignored the discussion, you ignored authoritative scholarly sources, and you continued your POV push 3 days later! Tājik 14:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

To Khoikhoi, i shall not reply the user's comments in your talk page because of the manner of the user. If you want to discuss these issues, you're welcome to my talk page. Otherwise, your talk/discussion page will be cluttered. Regards. E104421 14:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Look, research of such periods of history are not as clear cut as some people think. As for Timurids..Please see the website of the Royal Academy of Arts exhibition, co-created by a professor of Harvard University, entitled "Turks: The journey of a thousand years: 600-1600 [4].. There are clear references to Timurids in there. In fact, Timur is clearly considered to be an integral part of Turkic culture. I really advise all users and admins not to have preconceived notions on the subject matter. There is no clear-cut case for Timur being this or that, nor are there for other articles.Baristarim 18:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, Khoi, what do you think? After the above, and the parallel exchange on WP:PAIN my impression is Tajik is steering fast towards another NPA block. I don't particularly like the way he misrepresents my blocking decisions either. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, pov not pov-fork. What about the Perso-Islamic culture link which directs to Persian culture and the Iranian Cultural Continent link which directs to Greater Iran in the Turko-Iranian disambiguation page? What about the the weasal words of pov in the Iranian Turks article? Regards. E104421 15:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

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Problem

Hello Khoikhoi, We seem to be having a problem with User:Ali doostzadeh who seems to feel himself empowered to delete properly sourced material from various articles, trying to "trump" that material with his own quotes. It seems that he needs to understand that is not how we do things here, but my attempts to communicate with him have not been successful, he has even deleted my message on his user page. Please do what you can to normalize the situation. Thanks, Haiduc 19:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually I quoted Lewis Franklin who is the foremost biographer on Rumi. If we are talking about Persian Sufi poetry than we cite proper experts in the field. I am sorry but homosexual authors who are not experts in Persian Sufi poetry lack credibility relative to Professor. Franklin. [5]. Gays and Wahabites are wroking together here to distort the philosophy of sufism. Simply Rumi and Shams are the main representative of sufism and if there was any deviancy in sufi practices it does not represent mainstream sufism. --alidoostzadeh 20:12, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Reconfirm your strategy

Khoikhoi, could this be Bonaparte or Greier? The edits don't smell of Bonny, but he is almost too slick in his remarks to be Greier. - Mauco 21:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Shushi Massacre

I really don't care about the article to tell you the truth i just started out on wikipedia actually editing and its not really important and its lacking sources another reason to delete. Also all it would cause is controversy and drama. What do you have to say? Nareklm 00:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Also i may have mixed up the two provinces and cities shushi and shusha. Nareklm 05:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Coffee

Could you please tell me why you did revert back my current edits ? What's wrong with them ?--BlueEyedCat 01:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Three revert rule

Ararat arev doesn't even know what he's talking about he's comparing map to what historians say please do something this non-sense has to stop.

I assume he violated the three revert rule?

Click Nareklm 03:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes sorry about that i was getting frustrated with his false edits. You should protect nairi and revert it to mine or Eupators because he really does not know what he is talking about he gets his info from armenianhighland.com and all the references posted there. He compares maps to history lol. Also it is a edit war so go ahead :-) and protect if you want. Also for shusha there is info on that article i think it started from the war so its fine. You can delete it by authors request just in case anyone asks, Thanks. Nareklm 06:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Also if your going to revert this is the correct version Nairi Nareklm 06:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Also check out this, Image:Mitanni-map.jpg and Mitanni map Nareklm 08:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks!

Thank you so much, Khoikhoi, for your gracious support in my RfA (48/1/0)! I am very happy that you trust me with this great honor and privilege. If at any time you think that I need to step back and take a deep breath or just want to talk, please contact me. Happy editing! Cbrown1023 03:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank You Khoikhoi !

I am very happy to see this comunity is a very wellcoming one. I am very excited at the prospect of becoming an activ member. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kamenaua (talk • contribs) 08:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

Hello again.

What is your view on this article Kurdish Genocide (Turkey) created by User:Dirak? --A.Garnet 14:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

More TR revisionismus? *Sigh*... I don't get you sometimes. If you wanted to start an article on Greek atrocities against Muslims (Turks) during the Greek War of Independence and it was sourced, you wouldn't find me resorting in historical revisionism, mocking the deaths etc. I only expect everyone else to do the same. //Dirak 22:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Highshines

I've been busy lately, so sorry for my delayed response. Highshines has been blocked a least once before for abusive sock-puppetry and for disruptive page moves. He/she has deleted many reference to this from his/her talk page, but if you look at an earlier version or this completely deranged edit by a Highshines sock, you get the picture.

The problems with this editor are several. He/she uploads unsourced images, posts them in oversized versions on page or adds variants of the same picture on a single page. He/she changes convential forms of Chinese names caprisciously and adds a lot of complete junk content. If you leave hus/her favorite pages alone for a while, you'll be sure to find them completely cluttered by Highshines edits when you get back and the end result is that many articles related to the Qing dynasty have become almost unreadable. I'm getting tired of cleaning up the mess and I would like to have him/her blocked from editing Cixi and a couple of other articles for a time. User:Jiang is familar with the case, but he hasn't got any time to deal with this.--Niohe 16:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Here's another typical Highshines edit, just to give you an idea what I'm talking about. You leave his favorite pages alone for a while, and you will find most of them full with oversized images.--Niohe 01:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Sidon again and again

Hi there, I don't see a common practice on Wikipedia to have historical placenames on top of the page. Do you see Greek or Latin names in Jerusalem or Damascus, for example? In my personal opinion, historical placenames should be written in the corpus of the entry, preferably in the History section, unless there are specific reasons to mention them in the initial heading. In the case of İstanbul and İzmir, for example, it may be adequate to mention the Greek name because both cities had a significant share of ethnic Greeks prior to 1923.
Also, it is unfair to write that I "deleted the section about Hezbollah". I only deleted a couple of lines based on disputable speculations and rumors published on a website and not confirmed through any other independent source. This is probably not the sort of things a reader would like to see on a "neutral", "fair" encyclopedia. Speculations and personal points of view can be expressed in other places, don't you agree with me?
Regards. FrancescoMazzucotelli 18:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for Your help

Hello, You were so nice to great me on Wikipedia a few days ago and offered to help me if needed. I edited the article about the mythical founders of Kiev Kyi, Schek and Khoryv, fixing the spelling from Khoriv Template:Lang-uk) to Khoryv (Template:Lang-uk) and a few typos. However today I have found that those edits, as well as ones by a person after me have been rolled back. I restored the corrections, however from personal experiance I fear that this was a delibarate assault by some Russian imperialist who have not come to terms with the fact that this country does not belong to them. Could you please somehow lock this page from editing, or advise me what is the proper procedure when dealing with such sort of people. Thank You very much. --Teche richka Tysa 19:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

You're right

You're right. It is misleading. Dahn 22:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Watchlisted. Dahn 22:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Armenian Highland

Dear Khoi, Which kind of standarts you use. In some articles you are looking for detailed sourches, in another some no need any.Ok; regarding the version you prefer;Although Armenians still have their own land most of their official lands were stolen during the 1915 Armenian Genocide by the Ottoman Empire when 1.5 million Armenians were annihilated. 1-Whose land? 2-Whose official land? 3-Who stole it? 4-From whom? 5-During what? whre is concensus? 6-When 1.5 million A...n were anhilated.--Who? where? Do you count the people? How many were in total originally.?

I have right to wait reply and sources from your side. Give me sources, I will put figures to article which I made before. Please take a breath an take a look article again. Regards. Must^TC 23:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

3RR

User:58.147.4.20 has broken 3RR on many articles and has been nearly borderline vandalizing some others. He broke 5RR actually, can something be done? I suspect sockpuppetry here since he has been only editing contentious articles like Persianate, Iranian Turks, Alptigin and stalking MustafaAkalp. Thanks Baristarim 00:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

He is particularly looking out for articles such as the accession of Turkey to the EU, Alptigin etc. There is no way that an anon would be able to jump between these two if there was no sockpuppetry. I feel a trap to get me and Mustafa for 3RR.Baristarim 00:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Fortunately, we know to count just till to threeMust^TC 00:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Please see this [6], he was reverted by a completely impartial user. I suspect him to be the sockpuppet of the same racist user that was edit warring in that article last night, and calling Turks pigs etc.. Baristarim 00:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

(Kurdistan) Requests for page protection

semi-protect. This page is consistently subject to anonymous vandalism of many types, and whilst its maintainers and other passers by are doing a good job of reverting this, it is understandably becoming tiresome. --D.Kurdistani 01:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

What do you think about..

..this [7]? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Baristarim (talk • contribs) 05:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

However, I find this a bit disturbing [8]. What official lands? They belonged to the Ottoman Empire. What are the sources for this "official theft"? What is this? They had been Seljuq and Ottoman lands for centuries, who was stealing what from who? There is no such mention in any League of Nations or UN documents and maps. On what treaty is this based? Those have been Turkish lands since 1071; should I pack my bags and go back to the steppes of Central Asia? Can't you see the inherent racism in this? I am totally cool at mentioning Armenian presence, but this is way too over the line, implying all sorts of things. I know that some people would like that, but it is not going to happen. Can I go to the US article and write "however most of their official lands were officially stolen from the Native Americans during the Native American Genocide"? It is one thing to mention presence, it is a different thing to say "official theft". I hope you can see what I am trying to say. Baristarim 05:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm [9], did you get my email btw? I really would like to find a solution the problem I mentioned. Cheers! Baristarim 05:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Pfff.. [10] Can't I edit without being compared to some Nazi via some sniping comments? Is this fair? My edit summaries have been reasonable, and look at that. I replied accordingly however, since I am also starting to have enough. Baristarim 09:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Pro-Kurdish edits by D.Kurdistani

Please do something about this. The flags are sapose to represent the nationality, not ethnicity. Iraq national football team, Arbil FC, Hawar Mulla Mohammed. Chaldean 06:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

What I make one small edit and you report it to an administrator? I changed it once and after you changed them back I changed them again. That’s two times I changed the flags, you do not need to report this to administrator make a post on the talk page or make a post on my talk page. --D.Kurdistani 07:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Your "Small" edits are obviously politically motivated. Their is no point in me RVing it, because I tried it once, and you immediatly rv'd. So it doesn't make sense to me to go in a game of RV - I rather option on explaining it to a 3rd party that what your doing is indeed wrong. Chaldean 07:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

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Your post

I must admit that the awnser to your email is ? No, apart jokes, I've checked my email, but haven't seen any email from you or any other wikipedian: I suspect some error was made in sending the e-mail, or else my server has some problem (but I hadn't noted any yet).--Aldux 22:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

What was so offensive??????

Khoikhoi if you look very carefully what I wrote you would notice that it was not an offensive remark because I was careful enough not to mention anybody in my remarks and by the way if you go further you would notice the question marks at the end of the sentences. If Baristarim takes it on him my remarks then thats his problem because it was a question not an offensive remark by the way an offensive remark is this remark that was made by him "There is only one state Armenia... ones before it were not called "Armenia". what's this pan-armenianism?)". Which really pissed me of to make such a remark without knowing history very well and insulting Armenians by erasing the past. ROOB323 23:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Re. Hey

Yep, online now.--Húsönd 23:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Protected now due to edit war. Regards.--Húsönd 00:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. By the way, as I predicted user Jake b increased his hostility. Although removing warnings on a talk page is no longer an uncontested reason for blocking someone, disruption, threats and personal attacks are. I'll continue to monitor him. Regards.--Húsönd 00:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Assyrian people

Assyrians as a modern ethnonym has been introduced in the XIXth century by Protestant missionaries in the Ottoman and Persian Empires, - What? Khoi, if hte term was introduced in the 19th century, please explain this; a 17th century map [[11]] proves this clearly wrong when on the border of the map are pictures of the minorites living in Ottoman Empire at that time. Among them Aare Assryians. the picture captions are hard to read but under the third person from top and bottom reads Assyrian; The Turkish Empire, London c. 1627 SPEED, John (1552-1629) One of the most decorative maps of Turkish Empire from Speed's A Prospect of the Most Famous Parts of the World. The map covers Ottoman territories in the Balkans, Anatolia, Levant, Arabia and North Africa. Size 390 x 510 cm. Borders on each side show full length portraits of Greek, Egyptian, ASSYRIAN and Persian men and women. Please what you wrote was insulting, and pure false. Chaldean 02:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Edipedia

I noticed today that you added a banned user tag to his user page. He isn't on WP:LOBU; was he recently banned by the community through WP:AN/I? If so, the list there should include him. Otherwise, a different tag should be used. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 04:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thanks for doing that. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 05:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Golden Horde

Hello Khoikhoi, can you protect the Golden Horde page? I mean full protection, because it looks like that it will cause edit-revert wars. I think it should remain under protection until we solve the disputes in the talk pages. Thanks Caglarkoca 09:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Majority

You wrote that "it's our job to give the majority view on something". Can you please show me where in Wikipedia policy this is mentioned? I always thought that what is right and correct should be accepted. User:Politis

Thanks for that.Politis 14:40, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

TfD trouble

Khoi, could you please check this out? There seems to be some friction between Mustafa Akalp and I. -- Clevelander 17:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I removed some anon's comments as vandalism from a TfD page on a template of former Armenian capitals (which Mustafa had nominated for deletion) without logging on (I wasn't sure if I could log on to Wikipedia at work or not). I then asked moderator Francis Tyers to close the TfD on no consensus because it was going nowhere (most of those voting to remove the template were Turks and most of those voting to keep the template were Armenians). Francis responded and said to wait it out. But then Mustafa wrote a long-winded and hard-to-understand message on the TfD in response to my removal of the anon comments and a response to my private discussion with Francis. I acted in response by restoring the anon's comments, replying to them, removing most of Mustafa's comments on the anon (which was mostly a copy-and-paste quote of the anon comments), and then moving the remainder of his comments on my discussion with Francis to Francis's talk page.

Mustafa was apparently outraged by this move and so he and I engaged in a back-and-forth dialogue via talk pages. I became frustrated by his apparent lack of knowledge of English which caused miscommunication and I'm afraid only made the situation worse. He then resolved to place his comments back on the page. He did so and I replied, but not before removing his re-quote of the anon (which if kept intact would only confuse the reader) and the quote of the message I left with Francis (which was already linked to the article). I also then moved to rename the template once and for all from "Armenian capitals" to "former Armenian capitals," thus resolving the most pronounced issue of the dispute - its name. Mustafa became enraged and wrote another long-winded message roundly denouncing my actions to administrators and users and then re-quoting his original message again. I replied again and then he wrote this message to you. So, naturally, I am now defending myself. I take full responsibility for my actions and I apologize. -- Clevelander 20:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

California Flag

Hello, I noted your objection to the accuracy of the previous version of Image:Flag_of_California.svg. I have made some changes to the coloration and the font to more closely match the PNG flag. Please review those changes and let me know if the current version is now as acceptable as the PNG. If there are further changes you would recommend, please let me know what they are. Thanks. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 20:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, it looks a lot better—thanks for that! :-) However, there still seems to be something not quite right about the font and the star. Perhaps you should also try asking User:physicq210, who has also been active in the California flag thing on Wikipedia. Happy holidays, Khoikhoi 06:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate your comments. I adjusted the positioning of the star, bear, and text. Also, I have reduced the size of the stripe and the star to match the PNG. As for the font.. I tried to find something similar, but it is not quite right. Any ideas for the official font? I think it is really pretty close now, compare here. I'll ask Physicq210 for his input also. Thanks and happy holidays. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 16:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Caucasian Albania

Hey may i ask what does Azerbaijan have to do with Albanian history with the template? Nareklm 21:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Well are they ethically related? Just wondering. Nareklm 06:32, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Nareklm 06:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Barack Obama Unprotect

On what authority did you unprotect Barack Obama? TonyTheTiger 01:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I have not had a chance to check my watchlist today, but yesterday I noticed offensive vandalism. The guy is in the limelight as a frontrunner for the Democratic nod. I am sure the vandals will find him. I would leave him protected if I had a say. It is your call. TonyTheTiger 03:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

What counts as a lot of vandalism. I see 4 ([12][13][14][15]) by 3 users from Dec 22nd. TonyTheTiger 14:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

It may not be as much as Bush, but it is as much as the other 7 pages that I have gotten semi-protected. TonyTheTiger 23:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Darwinek wishes you a Merry Christmas!

Hi! I just want to say Merry Christmas to you! Have a nice holiday time. - Darwinek 19:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Hanukkah חנוכה

File:Hanukiyot.jpg

• Hello Khoikhoi. Wishing you a happy Hanukkah. Bit late...I forgot about Bonaparte's diatribe - Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Same from me. I am happy to see that the problems with Antarcticwik have dissapeared. Best wishes, Asterion^talk 07:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Renaming of Turkmen months and days of week, 2002

I had not seen that! Thank you for pointing this out. Right now I'm putting all my energy into The new great game at Biruitorul's bugging, but I will try to get to this later. Thanks, KazakhPol 06:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Geno Template

I thought it was because it was removed here. History Nareklm 07:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

lol you make me feel dumb. Nareklm 08:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey i have a question whenever i hit recent changes i see this next to user names its new,

(diff) (hist) . . Chitpavan Konkanastha Brahmins‎; 04:52 (+135) 69.235.83.182 (Talk)

Somthing like that the bolded one only its green or red have any idea of this? Nareklm 09:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi KhoiKhoi

I just wanted to take a minute to express my hope that you have a great holiday season. Wherever you are and whoever you are, it's a time of celebration, looking back on our achievements, and being thankful (at least for me). In any event, may you be surrounded (literally and/or figuratively) by all the friends and family you can comfortably stand;).

On a side note, having you on my watchlist is a trip. So many people come to you like you're some kind of God, when you're just an admin and editor. I've tried to help in the past, but I'm afraid I still don't know that much about Wikipedia and it's policies yet. However, I learn so much every day that I'm on, and for that I'm thankful.

It seems that even the most negative things lead me to some article where I learn a great deal. I'm essentially a global person in my heart who is very provincial in my learning. By editing on Wikipedia, my little corner of the World has expanded greatly, and it grows day by day. I just plain feel smarter - perhaps I am:).

If you're encouraged by my little spiel, then my fondest wish came true. Consider it a "present" at this special time of year.

Sincerely, Nina NinaEliza (talk) 14:24, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

:)NinaEliza (talk • contribs • logs) 05:44, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy Hanukkah

Best Wishes for you and your family. --alidoostzadeh 16:51, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Awww...

And we had such a nice conversation there... *sniff* --Illythr 20:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Edit summary

Remember that edit summaries can be useful, but only if they are descriptive. This one was not. Jd2718 20:19, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Thessaloniki

First edit was in error (don't know how I managed to hit the wrong version). Time stamps are just moments apart. Jd2718 20:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Meant to revert to my second edit. There are two things happening at once, which confused me. Thes/niki should go up above, which I think is ok. And I agree with the editor showing Bulgarian and Macedonian, which I expect may be more controversial. I will make both changes, one at a time. Jd2718 20:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay

OKay. I re-worked my post without jokes. And it's my opinion. Bosniak 07:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

sprotect-banneduser

Hey. Is this truly necessary? I mean, one edit...? - crz crztalk 11:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to ask a question about this myself, I noticed you did the same thing with Jews for Jesus, but which editor was Wik? I didn't see any with the sockpuppet tag. Homestarmy 18:09, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, never mind, one of the suspected sockpuppets was a suspected sockpuppet of someone who is also suspected of being Wik :/. If I may say so, isn't this jumping the gun a bit when all the templates say "suspected"? Homestarmy 18:11, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Geography of Turkey

Hey! Merry Christmas!! I just looked into the article and understood what was posing a problem, and I left a note in the talk page. I will write the version that I mentioned in the talk page, so don't worry. I have no problems for the mention of Kurdistan in the article, however I was simply concerned with its actual inclusion. However, the article itself seems to be in a small mess, so it's ok. I will get around today hopefully. Cheers! Baristarim 00:22, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I will check for the geography. It will be definitely included one way or the other in any case. As for Fuzuli.. Heydar Aliyev is ok, however with Fuzuli I disagree (just on a side note: there was great debate about exactly this ninety years i Turkey that became very famous, it is still being talked about today :)). I left a post on the talk page about this; I think that modern Turkic peoples should be excluded obviously, however important historical Turkic figures should be included OTOH, if their place in a timeline could be determined linking them to the development of the Turkish people, Turkey or the Ottoman Empire. Obviously the "Turkish" identity didn't exist back in 1400, so he is not "Turkish".

I have just been thinking that maybe the rename might hit a few snags. I think that it is really not a good idea to exclude people like Fuzuli. Back then the ethnic identities were pretty confused, and Azeris were considered in the same group as Turkmens of Anatolia. If he were of Turkmen descent from around Anatolia in the 15th century, then it is a pretty good guess that he would have become Turkish today (that was basically the point of the debate that I mentioned). All I am saying is that, this article shouldn't turn into a purge of people who are not Turkish citizens. If that will be the case, it might be better to move it back and seperate it into sections to clearly differentiate the time periods involved and give links to Turkic peoples articles for things like "List of Azeris". Baristarim 01:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Why am I up so late all the time? Very long story... I actually don't live according to time periods of morning+afternoon+evening+night, but really dependent on what is happening and what I need to do in a day; and generally I do a lot of things in the evening. I sleep as much as an ordinary person, but nearly everyday at different periods. I know, it is weird! Many reasons though :) But I think that I will be heading to bed soon anyways! Baristarim 02:07, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

But the funny thing is, I also notice way too many Turkish editors who edit in the weirdest hours of the night! I wonder what's going on? it's big world I suppose, everyone has got a story. lol Baristarim 02:11, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

For your message. All i want is this dialog from managers. I hope you teach to Vikipedi managers how to manage people.

My source is me, i am living in izmit right now, i was born 1969 in izmit and lived here 37 years. izmit is a province. Center province of Kocaeli (if it is true saying capitol province). you can check in http://tr.vikipedi.org as Kocaeli and izmit. I was making them.. But, before i complete, with another topic i began to fight with managers because they were just deleting my pages without asking. The reason was 'copyright" but i was the owner of the articles..

Anyway we wont have such problem here because of my english. :-) Everyone can easily understand that this knowledges not from any other articles and these are originals. I hope someone correct me about grammer. Thank you :-) --Onder K. 02:59, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Great

That is all i can say. You are awesome. Firstly i want to tell you about problem i had in Vikipedi. :While i was making pages, I saw in "Featured content" that someone show "wikipedia.org" has wonderful Turkish Literature page, but Vikipedi has not.. He said "this is a shame for all of us".. I checked wikipedia.org and yes the page is great really. Then i began to make it Nonstop 7 haurs all Friday night.. Describtion is belongs to me. I got names, years and some details only from different sources. internet, booksand my highschool notes. 7 haurs nonstop i was working on page. puting all links each by each try to make it best one. I was literature student. I began to work in Hurriyet in 1990 as journalist. I am Digital Arts Magazine Editor right now. I know what is copyright very well. But an administor get a sentence from my page, searched in google, find a site.. Then he deleted all works that i work on it 7 haurs. immediately i wrote a message (Please dont delete it all details are original i dont have another copy." I was still editing at that time. He said no.. this is copy from sites. I said please let me prove it bring back.. Then they all began to argue with me. also in administor page.. Still our argue is there. I just wanted "give me a chance to prove. i dont have originals on me because i wrote on page".." No, they just deleted, told me many times this is rule we deleted anything.. Till 2 days i was argue with them (sure in a good way both side) for this reason.. This is the reason i left there.. I just wanted to help, that was all. and 7 haurs is huge time for me.. And all i said "i was here editing the same page nonstop 7 haurs. why you didnt send me a message to ask and directly deleted it"... Many people left vikipedi for such reasson

Your question is şehir and il is the same.. ilçe is different. şehir old saying (because of Ottoman Emperior language mixture of Arabian, Farsian and Turkish) il is new Turkish saying. Turkish language is very interesting for some reasons. We can disscus it whenever you want.

ilçe is part of il. il is city. ilçe is province in il. but population of Kocaeli is mostly in izmit. Kocaeli is different stiation because of its name for this reason. Kocaeli is total area, includes all provinces. and traffic code is 41.. izmit just a part of it. (it is amazing that you know about it)

I have a question too. Balaban Village. if i write Balaban Köyü, some people cant see öü letters. if i write Balaban Koyu, this became a different place meaning,, "koy=part of a gulf in sea" Therefore i wrote as Balaban K. and just Balaban has another page too.. i didnt decide its name.. what will be the best one ? Thank you again --Onder K. 04:01, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

• To be honest i am still in shock now Because I already got many messages from many members to Help. This is amazing here. Noone believe this in Vikipedi. There is not only administer, i wrote every administer in there. All of them in their pages and also in administor complaint page. Also i tried to show the system here, when i join, i got a message, and someone helped me (2 days ago) and i wrote as this is the difference etc.. They just laught at me that i admire to boot (computer message).. Anyway i am in heaven now and i am very happy to meet you all. And you are RIGHT. 2 days ago i write "county" then i change it as province. i use province to show it is county.. This is my language mistake sorry. And the table is true. Şehir = Kent = il no difference. Şehir and il common usage mostly, kent not that much. but if you say Kocaeli kenti it will be true saying also. But in modern Turkish we use as "il".. When i read "divan literature-Ottoman Literature" i dont understand anything either. it is like Shekespeare language. many Arabic, Farsian words..mixture language. in Palace.. but at the same time kernel Turkish using in Folk, you can easily understand any poem in Fork writen 1000 years ago. Surely there are many dialects too, because Turkey is mixcute of cultures.. Noone born as a Turk. They born as Turkmen, Gurcü, Laz, Tatar, Abaza, Azeri, Kurt...... etc. These are roots of Turkish people.. But they became Turk under the same flag :-) this is why there are many words of the same meaning..Thank you again many many times.--Onder K. 06:25, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Spelling

Khoi, I think it is required to check which spelling is correct in English for directions and subdirections. I know that(may be wrong); main directions is writing with first letter as Capital like as; South, North etc and sub directions as combined word (first letter also capital) like as; Southwest, Northeast. Please check (in spelling) which one is correct; Southeast or South East. My offer to use correct one whatever google search is. Please let me know about your investigation. Ragards. Must^TC 07:36, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Your moves

Dear Khoi, Dont worry about moves. Your moves of Turkish Regions sees highly reasonable.

• I mean;
  • main directions;West, North, East, South
  • subdirections;Northwest, Southwest, Northeast, Southeast.
• I asked that,which one is correct gramatically; South East or Southeast (and smilarly others)?
• I offered, lets use gramatically correct one (without regarding google search).

That is all. Thanks. Must^TC 09:00, 25 December 2006 (UTC)