Talk:Killing of Trayvon Martin

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Use of the term "murder" in the info box.

Murder refers to unlawful killing. If the jury found Zimmerman not guilty by reason of self-defense, and he maintains the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, having not been found guilty, he is therefore innocent. This means that the killing was not unlawful and therefore not murder. 2600:6C5A:F0:8600:6C08:F40A:DAD1:26A (talk) 05:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

It should be "killing" because that is the article title

Ben Azura (talk) 09:53, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

It was just a simple passing of a young man. No need for such strong language 2601:183:4981:7E80:1430:B54B:90B9:A4EA (talk) 01:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Change, "Zimmerman attacked Martin," to, "Zimmerman was attacked by Martin".

Zimmerman was attacked by Martin and not the other way around. The evidence presented in the trial, and the conclusion of the jury who heard all the evidence, found that Zimmerman was not the aggressor and therefore was innocent of the crime of murder for which he was being tried. Saying otherwise defies the conclusion of the jury and is therefore inaccurate.

An excerpt from the hearing per [The George Zimmerman Trial: An Account (umkc.edu):

In Zimmerman's retelling of the ensuing struggle to Officer Doris Singleton later that night, Martin "grabbed my head and started hitting it into the sidewalk." Zimmerman managed to pull himself back to the grass and yell, "Help me, help me. He's killing me." Martin, on top of him, responded by covering Zimmerman's mouth with his hand and telling him, "You're going to die tonight." At that point, as he tried to slide away, "my jacket and my shirt came up...and I felt his hand go down on my side and I thought he was going for my firearm. So I grabbed it immediately and as he banged my head again, I just pulled my firearm and shot him."

Zimmerman's version of events is largely consistent with the statement of eyewitness Jonathan Good, a resident of one of the townhouses close to the site of the fight, and the observer closest to the confrontation and considered by police to be its most reliable eyewitness.

Lmchristy (talk) 22:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, I need to look in the history to see who wrote that. Pmsyyz (talk) 02:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Here is the uncommented edit in June. Pmsyyz (talk) 03:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Was never proven, previous wording was not only more truthful, your new edit is blatantly biased by a conclusion you wish was reached. 216.134.234.140 (talk) 07:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Not to mention the sidewalk story is arguably the least credible account of the encounter. No one disputes this, this screams of political soap boxing. 216.134.234.140 (talk) 07:20, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

"a 260-unit, gated, townhome community"

Grammar: please remove comma before "townhome". This is attributive use of a noun, so it should not 'stack commas' with the preceding adjectives. Similar example: one would write "a small toy car", not "a small, toy car". (There's no comma-like pause in speech either.) 2A00:23C5:FE1C:3701:2928:F190:B2C:C333 (talk) 10:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Spelling Issue

"She claimed that police pressured him into choosing the color that the man was wearing anf that her son could not see any details in the dark." And is misspelled in this sentence. I'm not able to edit otherwise I would. If someone could fix this I'd appreciate it, thank you! Oranguru765 (talk) 08:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for the alert. HiLo48 (talk) 14:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

"Anti-Black Racism in Florida"? Really?

There's no evidence Zimmerman had racist intentions when he shot Trayvon, somebody should remove this category from the article. 177.37.150.39 (talk) 17:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

There may be no such evidence, but there is Anti-Black Racism in Florida, and that's why this was such a notable case. HiLo48 (talk) 02:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

it doesn't matter, the fact that there is anti-black racism in florida does not mean that Trayvon's death was racially motivated, heck, you even adimited that there is no evidence Zimmerman killed Trayvon with racist intentions, so, do me a favor and remove this category from the article and quit doing quitly by association fallacies. 177.37.150.26 (talk) 14:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I did not say or even imply that Zimmerman was guilty. My point is that this story became globally significant because there is Anti-Black Racism in Florida. Including the category makes a lot of sense. HiLo48 (talk) 01:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)