Talk:List of X-Men members

Consensus of ForgetMeNot and Woofer (again).

Hello to everyone - @BD2412, @Dimadick, @Eijikkieru, @Higher Further Faster, @Hotwiki, @DrBat, @Gtrmp, @AlligatorSky, @Lipshiz, @Omnipaedista and @Sewnbegun. You all are invited from previous consensus. Last year in this discusssion ([1]), there weren't any reliable source back then and it was decided that we should wait for few more comics to add him in the main list of X-Men. So I have also invited @Storm1221 , @ToshiroIto7 to see if they still maintain their opinion from previous talks.

The first thing I would like to talk about is ForgetMeNot's position in this page, he is added in Other status section, even though he is official member of X-Men according to handbooks (also sources). He is neither an infiltrator nor an honorary member so how come he have any other status instead of official member. If it is about his power of being forgotten, we can add a note as well as notelist section to mention his powers. We should move him to the main list.

Secondly, even if Woofer is not added to the main list, he is still currently eligible to be added as honorary member of X-Men. Let me explain why. Lucid was made member by then X-Man Storm - [2]. Woofer was made member by now X-Man Shadowkat in X-Men, vol. 6 #25 - [3][4]. As per previous talk, we waited and again he was implied to be an X-Man in Fall of the House of X #3 - [5]. It's not like we don't have any references, we have a reliable secondary source (because it was already asked for in previous talks in this page) -

We should also know that definition of X-Men members is gray and that's why many editors on this page have sticked to different handbooks of Marvel Comics but till the new handbook, we should include Woofer as honorary member.

Hoping for response/feedback on consensus of both ForgetMeNot and Woofer in some days.

References

2409:40C1:1006:ACEB:CEC:BAB6:F1A4:A58B (talk) 10:39, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Not this again with Woofer. How about we wait for an official handbook from Marvel Comics rather than jumping to conclusion once again. This was already discussed before. Hotwiki (talk) 12:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

As for ForgetMeNot, I also disagree. He's in other status for a reason. He was retconned as a long time member, yet his actual membership date isn't very clear. Hotwiki (talk) 12:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Also may I add, Woofer's appearance in Fall of the House of X doesn't change anything. He's still not ever seen with the current X-Men team. Hotwiki (talk) 12:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

We didn't waited for handbook during Synch, Prodigy, Rasputin IV and Ms. Marvel's inclusion. In fact Rasputin IV don't even have a reliable source. Sewnbegun (talk) 14:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

We didn't wait for the handbook because it was CLEAR they are part of the current team, unless you are questioning the membership of those four members. Woofer is a different case especially there are different opinions in this talk page, if he is a member of the X-Men. I stand by my opinion. Keep Woofer out of the list and keep ForgetMeNot in other status section. Hotwiki (talk) 21:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

@Hotwiki No, I am also against with Woofer added in team too. But I also agree with that if Woofer is seen with X-Men, we have to add him atleast as honorary member. I don't he qualifies as official X-Men unless it is proven in future handbook. Sewnbegun (talk) 04:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Again what is presented in X-Men #25 and Fall of the House of X #3 are similar. Woofer is STILL not seen with the current X-Men team. If a handbook from Marvel Comics mentions him as a member, then add him. But until that doesn't happen, keep him out of the list. Hotwiki (talk) 04:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

No, if he is seen clearly with X-Men and is called an X-Men before. It clears everything. He needs to be mentioned as X-Men. We can always remove him if handbooks is not mentioning him. Just like you did two year before when you remove many members from this page when X of Swords (which is right by the way). Sewnbegun (talk) 04:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

You are assuming he will be seen with the X-Men which we can't say for certain will happen. Me mentioning an updated handbook doesn't automatically mean, "handbooks" are only the source of information in this article. This article didn't need a handbook reference, for those who were/are clearly members of the X-Men fyi. Hotwiki (talk) 04:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I am not into adding him RIGHT NOW, only IF he is seen alongside X-Men. also yes, handbooks aren't the only source of this article - he already does have a source. I am also against him in adding in the main team but we have to at least add him as honorary member because he is called an X-Man. We should wait and see what the future comics hold. Sewnbegun (talk) 04:38, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

No, I am not questioning the other members but I was pointing out that Rasputin IV don't have a reliable source while Woofer have. It was clear to add them because they were seen alongside X-Men and were declared X-Men and so that should shall be the case with Woofer he is seen alongside X-Men. Sewnbegun (talk) 04:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't why you are suddenly making this about Rasputin IV. If you read the comics, you will see that she is with the current X-Men since X-Men #25 (2023) with other members such as Shadowkat, Talon, Synch and Kamala Khan. If your problem is lack of reliable source for Rasputin IV, you can surely find a better reference or comic book scans. Hotwiki (talk) 04:22, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I was making another point which you got to to read again in my previous reply to avoid misunderstanding. I am not suddenly making this about Rasputin IV. If I was challenging her membership, I would have simply had her removed on the basis of unreferenced. Sewnbegun (talk) 04:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

So is this you [6] @Sewnbegun:? The only edit[7] of that Ip user is oddly similar to your edit when you asked for the consensus for Captain Krakoa.[8] Hotwiki (talk) 04:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

No, I haven't done those edits. Sewnbegun (talk) 05:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Do you realize how similar your edits are to these Ip users who have only edited this 1 article in Wikipedia? You haven't been cleared by an administrator for not being connected User:Ringardiumleviossa. Thats why I remain suspicious of your editing. Then these Ip users, suddenly doing massive edits in the article (in a short period of time) doing drastic changes that somehow align to your edits, and also doing talk page consensus? I've seen a couple of sockpuppet investigations in my almost 20 years stay in Wikipedia, and this is usually how sockpuppetry is caught. Either jumping through another Ip or switching to a different account, to manipulate the outcome of the article. Hotwiki (talk) 05:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I can tell you that I have nothing to do with those edits, I think that blocked user is doing this from different IP. I don't align with, it is just I don't revert every edits and let them be which are correct, referenced and many time, I also check if the edits are done are correct or not before reverting back or making any change. Sewnbegun (talk) 05:29, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh now you think this is the blocked editor Ringardiumleviossa editing in different IP users. The blocked editor that has the same editing patterns as you, from my observation. And somehow you seem to agree on every change from these "suspicious" IP users? Okay. Hotwiki (talk) 05:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't always agree if see the talks in this page clearly instead of proving that I am that blocked editor. And again I don't revert everything, I checked them and if they are right, referenced or on majority consensus. Sewnbegun (talk) 05:48, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you about the change of ForgetMeNot, only because of the point that he is official member and not a member of different status. Although I differ in opinion that Woofer should be added, for now atleast. It was decided in the previous talk to wait for atleast his three appearances which is not completed yet. If in future issues of current X-Men headling comics (X-Men, vol. 6 or Fall of the House of X), he appears alongside X-Men we can add him as honorary member. If you insist to add him in main list, we will have to wait for next handbook. Sewnbegun (talk) 14:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

ForgetMeNot has been more of a covert operative, who has had minimal interactions with his teammates. There are not many sources on Woofer, since he is a brand new character. According to the Marvel Database wiki, he has a total of 4 appearances since his debut in May, 2023. Dimadick (talk) 16:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

It is my opinion that both ForgetMeNot and Woofer should be included in the Honorary Section. I'm not going to explain why because ultimately this page does not follow consensus and it'd be a complete waste of time.Storm1221 (talk) 17:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree with ForgetMeNot's proposal but disagree with Woofer's. Teedbunny (talk) 13:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Woofer (and arguments here) was mentioned in the AIPT's X-Men Monday #252. Jordan said it's fine to consider him an honorary member. Eijikkieru (talk) 05:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

AIPT isn't a reliable site.Hotwiki (talk) 10:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I know. I'm not joining the consensus on this subject, I'm just stating what the X-Men editor said in the interview. Eijikkieru (talk) 05:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Character's linking

Link the X-Men member Trinary in 2010s section with Trinary (comics). Vinbrad (talk) 07:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for noticing the missing link. Keep up the good work. Dimadick (talk) 14:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

X-Men in training

I have made few changes in X-Men in training section. Currently there are no secondary sources that cites which characters are X-Men trainees and since this article is also based on handbooks; I have carefully cited the primary sources in which they were first mentioned to be in that sub-team. These sources can be removed if replaced with secondary sources and new information can also be added by the same way. Hopefully don't break the policies on which this talk is based on: WP:USEPRIMARY and WP:RS. Vinbrad (talk) 09:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)