Talk:Noisy miner

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This article could do with something on spellings ('miner' vs 'mynah' - my understanding is that the NM was named after the Indian Mynah but spelled differently for some reason?) --Calair 05:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Some of the earlier stuff wasn't referenced (colony size?) but I've included links to places I grabbed information from. I'm very new to Wikipedia so don't know quite how to do it all proper, yet. Included a couple of shots of the birds up close and personal, since I live with three of them and frequently blog about their exploits. I thought more information would be useful for people looking to welcome other birds back into their yards without taking drastic measures, since I believe the Noisy Miner is, although of least concern, still a protected species. And the amount of people who find them on the roads and take them in for unhappy lives or into a vet where they get put down is just miserable, really, when they should be put back up into the underbrush of where they're found. Hopefully the info I included will be of use. Scribblette 00:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Recently discovered the gender difference, courtesy the three fluffy munchkins on my shoulder. Damned hard to differentiate by appearance - it's behavior that gives it away. I've learnt they lay a clutch of 2-4 eggs (rarely 5) about 3cm long by 2cm wide, creamy with reddish brown spots concentrated around the wide end, 22 to 26 hours apart. They do not start incubation until the second egg is laid. Nests are cup shaped, 4 to 5 inches in diameter.

This was all stated by the avian vet I rang from some unnamed reference book, and shortly thereafter experienced by yours truly! The eggs are infertile, fortunately, but she's still sitting on them twelve days later.

The females seem to take about two years to sexually mature. I'm including this information here but not all yet on the wiki lack of references I can link to beyond myself. It's just that no one else writes about them! Scribblette (talk) 01:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Interesting facts on the minor bird. I had an experience of my own on the way home from wooloowin primary, as a young lad. I found a helpless, injured, baby minor bird, and decided to take it him and nurse it back to to health. After finding out that I didn't have the knowledge to help it back into survival on its own in the wild, I took it to the local vet, he begins to tell me that it is an introduced pest, and that we should kill it. Me myself, at the time thought that was a little harsh. But with my experiences with them since, and seeing there behaviour with other birds. There aggression towards other birds and especially the crows. They tend to gang up and scare the locals. There singing isn't to easy on the ears either. Over I think that less of them greater outweighs the want for more... Bowfourmatt (talk) 22:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Ankit Maity (talk · contribs) 08:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall: Pass

   Pass/Fail:

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Please note that if the problems are not solved within 7 days the nomination will be rejected.--Ankit Maity ^{Talk • contribs} 08:32, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

An image caption should only end with a full-stop if it forms a complete sentence. (GA criteria not fulfilled)--Ankit Maity ^{Talk • contribs} 08:41, 23 December 2011 (UTC)>

All captions with full stops ARE complete sentences.

• See also section missing.

I don't know what this comment means, could you please explain it?

• Social Organization has to be renamed to Social organization per capitalization rules of section headings.

Done

• Whole numbers like 10 have to be spelt out in words.--Ankit Maity ^{Talk • contribs} 08:50, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

"Have to be"?? Doesn't make sense for times and measurements, and in any case is not recommended for numbers larger than 10.

You have failed the prose. Could you make some comment as to what you see the problem is with the prose? Marj (talk) 10:55, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Comments from another editor

I think there are some misunderstandings here:

• See also sections are not required in articles.
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• e.g. It would be wrong to spell out the numbers in "24–28 centimetres" into words.

• Before saying "you have failed the prose", the reviewer should present a list of prose problems that need to be fixed while the article is on hold, letting the nominator know specifically what must be fixed before the article can pass.

• This is stated in the guideline Mistakes to avoid in review.

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Want comments?

The article looks pretty good! If it's destined towards FAC, I could offer some critical commentary that might help give it a shove there. Would have to be piecemeal over the next week though (busy times!) Sasata (talk) 08:03, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Watlings drawing

Same here - a pretty crazy time of year...incidentally we rescued about half a dozen baby noisy miners from the ground under our street trees (while ducking the parents!) Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:48, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

How is that RESCUING them, or were you putting them back up in the trees? Read the article - the parents are still caring for them. Hope you put them back up in the trees where you could! 110.174.97.5 (talk) 06:43, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes exactly - we stuck them back in the trees and they hopped around ok (cats and dogs prowling at ground level). Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

No rush. I'd love some critical comment and editing help, and a co-nom at FAC in due course. Marj (talk) 18:56, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Y'know, it's surprising I haven't come across any aboriginal names or folklore for such a noisy and common bird....Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

HANZAB page 1265 Bindedj, Di ti, Pirit, Pindeen Marj (talk) 18:50, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Dang, I hate it when it's a list with no other info....oh well, to hunt some more info up. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:59, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

See this for sequence of names. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:05, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Can we use this in the Taxonomy section? Marj (talk) 21:33, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's a great painting. I am going to do up a range map soon too. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:27, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Gallery

What is the feeling on galleries? There are a number of images of agonistic behaviour that could be shown as a gallery.

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  The tall posture is a mild threat signal.
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  The low posture is often accompanied by a hidden eye patch.
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  Feathers are sleeked to reveal the full eye patch.
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  Pointing the bill at the _target of the aggression is usually a warning.
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  Non-predator intruders are scolded.

Hmm. Other thing we did was a 3 x 2 box of images at Banksia prionotes. What you reckon of that? Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:18, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeh, I like having the border, though I think a row under the section might work better than a block on the side. Marj (talk) 20:12, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Box added, copying Banksia prionotes. I couldn't work out how to do a horizontal one. Marj (talk) 21:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I've removed the box I added, while it works on the Banksia page for the close up detail, I think the images of the birds end up too small to give any relevant info. Plus the box takes up too much room for the amount of text. Marj (talk) 20:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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Noisy Miner attacking dove

The rightful owner agree for the use of this photo with the right attribution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.158.47.147 (talk) 20:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Cheng Hiang, You might wish to upload your image, this is the edited version with the birds on the left moved closer to the group and adjustments to exposure, saturation and sharpness. Marj (talk) 21:04, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Done this for you, the image is now your image with the correct copyright information Marj (talk) 22:36, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Derivation of common name

One thing bugging me is a lack of discussion on common name - I suppose it arose out of the bird's dark grey and black face resembling a coal-miner's blackened face (?) but have never seen it written. I'd love to find something on it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I tried to find out why a "Miner" but it's not an easy thing to search. Any explanation of the common name just discussed the "Noisy" bit. Marj (talk) 00:26, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Longer OED had nothing useful and have only looked in shorter Macquarie whivh had no explanation either - as starting points. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:45, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Additional sources

... from a Web of Knowledge search. Sasata (talk) 17:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Title: A micro-geography of fear: learning to eavesdrop on alarm calls of neighbouring heterospecifics

Author(s): Magrath Robert D.; Bennett Thomas H.

Source: PROCEEDINGS OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY B-BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES Volume: 279 Issue: 1730 Pages: 902-909 DOI: 10.1098/rspb.2011.1362 Published: MAR 7 2012

 Done fascinating field study this. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:01, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Title: Win shifting in nectarivorous birds: selective inhibition of the learned win-stay response

Author(s): Sulikowski Danielle; Burke Darren

Source: ANIMAL BEHAVIOUR Volume: 83 Issue: 2 Pages: 519-524 DOI: 10.1016/j.anbehav.2011.11.030 Published: FEB 2012

 Not done veering towards not adding this one - a tad specialised and part of more comprehensive experimentation that'd be good to see in a secondary source. A controlled behaviour experiment whose outcomes are cautiously but not clearly generalisable (??) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Title: A reverse keystone species affects the landscape distribution of woodland avifauna: a case study using the Noisy Miner (Manorina melanocephala) and other Australian birds

Author(s): Montague-Drake Rebecca M.; Lindenmayer David B.; Cunningham Ross B.; et al.

Source: LANDSCAPE ECOLOGY Volume: 26 Issue: 10 Pages: 1383-1394 DOI: 10.1007/s10980-011-9665-4 Published: DEC 2011

 Done fascinating field study this. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:13, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Title: Tolerance of Auditory Disturbance by an Avian Urban Adapter, the Noisy Miner

Author(s): Lowry Helene; Lill Alan; Wong Bob B. M.

Source: ETHOLOGY Volume: 117 Issue: 6 Pages: 490-497 DOI: 10.1111/j.1439-0310.2011.01902.x Published: JUN 2011

 Done fascinating field study this (again). Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:40, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Title: Habitat preferences of the noisy miner (Manorina melanocephala) - a propensity for prime real estate?

Author(s): Oldland Joanne M.; Taylor Rick S.; Clarke Michael F.

Source: AUSTRAL ECOLOGY Volume: 34 Issue: 3 Pages: 306-316 DOI: 10.1111/j.1442-9993.2009.01931.x Published: MAY 2009

 Done added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Title: The effect of Noisy Miners on small bush birds: an unofficial cull and its outcome

Author(s): Debus S. J. S.

Source: Pacific Conservation Biology Volume: 14 Issue: 3 Pages: 185-190 Published: SEP 2008

 Done added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:15, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Title: Edge geometry influences patch-level habitat use by an edge specialist in south-eastern Australia

Author(s): Taylor Rick S.; Oldland Joanne M.; Clarke Michael F.

Source: LANDSCAPE ECOLOGY Volume: 23 Issue: 4 Pages: 377-389 DOI: 10.1007/s10980-008-9196-9 Published: APR 2008

 Done added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:59, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Title: Penetration of remnant edges by noisy miners (Manorina melanocephala) and implications for habitat restoration

Author(s): Clarke Michael F.; Oldland Joanne M.

Source: WILDLIFE RESEARCH Volume: 34 Issue: 4 Pages: 253-261 DOI: 10.1071/WR06134 Published: 2007

 Done added Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:26, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Title: Stop the bullying in the corridors: Can including shrubs make your revegetation more Noisy Miner free?

Author(s): Hastings Richard A.; Beattie Andrew J.

Source: Ecological Management & Restoration Volume: 7 Issue: 2 Pages: 105-112 DOI: 10.1111/j1442-8903.2006.00264.x Published: AUG 2006

 Done wow!! gotta try this one....Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Title: Purple Swamphen Porphyrio porphyrio killing a noisy miner Manorina melanocephala nestling.

Author(s): Fitzsimons James A.

Source: Corella Volume: 27 Issue: 3 Pages: 90 Published: September 2003

 Not done not added for the time being as I can't access fulltext and is (I think) a one off opportunistic predation by an otherwise herbivorous/ominivorus fowl. I might add if I can read fulltext. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:58, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Title: Hierarchical analysis of genetic population structure in the noisy miner using DNA microsatellite markers

Author(s): Abbott CL; Poldmaa T; Lougheed S; et al.

Source: CONDOR Volume: 104 Issue: 3 Pages: 652-656 DOI: 10.1650/0010-5422(2002)104[0652:HAOGPS]2.0.CO;2 Published: AUG 2002

 Not done study shows substantial gene flow locally but not over larger distances, which is to be expected really. Not a big study and given size of article I am inclined to leave it out for the time being. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Title: Brood displacement of noisy miner by blue-faced honeyeater.

Author(s): Lethbridge Robert

Source: Sunbird Volume: 31 Issue: 3 Pages: 92-93 Published: December 2001

 Not done strange story of pair of blue-faced honeyeaters driving off noisy miners and raising their eggs, but once the young miners were fledged the blue-faced honeyeaters flew away and the miners raised them. I've never heard a story like this one and strikes me as a bizarre one-off that I think is better to defer adding... Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:18, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

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The noisy miner (Manorina melanocephala) is a bird in the honeyeater family endemic to eastern and south-eastern Australia and feeds mostly nectar, fruit and insects. This highly vocal species has a large range of songs, calls, scoldings and alarms, lives in large groups, and is territorial. Populations have grown in numerous places along this miner's range, and as such there is now an overabundance.Photograph: JJ Harrison

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Agonistic or antagonistic?

Given the number of times "agonistic" is corrected to "antagonistic" as though it were a spelling error, some explanation may help. Agonism or agonistic behaviour is an animal survival behaviour that relates to fighting. It includes aggression, but also defense, submission and avoidance. Antagonism is active hostility based on dislike - it is a human emotion. Canis5855 (talk) 20:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)