Talk:Sinopec

"Largest" company status"

There appears to be some disagreement between this article and the one for Walmart over which is the largest company in the world by revenue. Neither claim has an obvious source cited and I don't trust myself to fix this on my own. Wanted to bring it to someone's attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shinsukato (talk • contribs) 15:39, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

POV

I have re-ordered the article to match the format of other energy company articles, such as that of Royal Dutch Shell, PetroChina, ExxonMobil, and British Petroleum--corporate history first, an economic profile, then a discussion of recent events.

Upon researching the Gabon article using a more recent source, AfricaFiles, I have found that Sinopec has rectified its earlier activities in Loango, and in order to properly note that Sinopec has, in fact, expanded its activities in Gabon and improved its relationship with local environmental organizations and the government, I have edited the 'Sinopec in Africa' section..129.173.136.98 14:10, 12 Jan 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.115.168.245 (talk)

I have returned deleted pars and references to the 'Sinopec in Africa' section, removed by user stephenzhu, and retitled the section to reflect its current content which is now wider than 'criticism of Sinopec' as it covers the recent kidnapping of Sinopec employees.

Feel free to remove my revisions, or change them in any way but I ask that you justify any similar wholesale editing so that I won't come back and revert the changes. All reasonable edits get my support.Xue hanyu 14:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)xue_hanyu

Wo this page has been kidnapped by negative POV! Need help immediately! 129.173.136.98 19:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

April 4, 2010

I stumbled across this page when trying to figure out the ownership structure of one of this company's subsidiaries. I don't believe that it maintains a neutral point of view in its history section, as the section mainly discusses what seems to be a single editor's concerns with the the environmental track record of the company. As I am no expert on this company or its organizational history, I will leave it to those better informed to better flesh out the history section. However, I do believe that the information regarding the company's actions in Gabon should at least be moved to the section regarding the company's environmental track record. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.217.3.52 (talk) 19:34, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

WSJ resource

• Sinopec Deepens China's Push Into Canadian Oil Patch by Edward Welsch October 10, 2011; In July, Cnooc Ltd. agreed to pay just over $2 billion for bankrupt OPTI Canada Inc., regarding Daylight Energy Ltd. 99.190.85.209 (talk) 19:48, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

CNOOC Ltd.. 99.190.87.127 (talk) 07:32, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Politics of the People's Republic of China potential resource

• China Versus Shareholders "Sinopec's Unsolicited Offer to Test Limit of Beijing's Influence." 14.December.2011 97.87.29.188 (talk) 23:54, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Merge with China Petrochemical Corporation

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The result of this discussion was merge. Czarking0 (talk) 19:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

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This page China_Petrochemical_Corporation refers to the same organization. Federicotg (talk) 18:14, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Further, I propose a merge in accordance with WP:MERGEPROP. China_Petrochemical_Corporation can easily be exmplained in this article without WP:UNDUE or article size issues. Furthermore, there is little encyclopedic value in China_Petrochemical_Corporation as a standalone.

@Amigao, Gog the Mild, and Pete Garret: Merge proposal. Czarking0 (talk) 23:19, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

If the merge goes through sources like this can be used to fill in details prior to the IPO.Czarking0 (talk) 03:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge makes good sense, especially given the article size of China Petrochemical Corporation. - Amigao (talk) 17:06, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I am going to call this sufficient consensus and start the process. Czarking0 (talk) 19:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

References

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Add History About Ma Yongsheng becoming chairman

Basically a TODO. This should probably include the reshuffling of Zhang Dong and Dai Houliang Czarking0 (talk) 23:29, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Green Jet Fuel

Removed this from the led as it is undue weight but it may be worth mentioning elsewhere. Czarking0 (talk) 23:35, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Similar thoughts on this. A third party source should be used and a more comprehensive and up to date picture of their alternative fuel.

Another source I found. Not originally mentioned.

References

History Subsections

The division of the history into Africa and the rest of the world is awkward. It clearly has been a struggle point for editors as there are multiple mentions of African events in the rest of the world section. Due the the global nature of oil, the African events often have notable results outside of Africa. For example the Swiss bribery investigations and subsequent lay-offs over bribes in Nigeria. Therefore, I suggest using a single history section or potentially dividing the history into subsidiaries rather than geographic subsections. Czarking0 (talk) 16:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I have taken the step of separating domestic and international concerns as that seems more manageable than this system. However the Africa subsection still remains so there is work to be done on this organization Czarking0 (talk) 05:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Africa is gone now. I am still in favor of breaking this up I just think they way it was done previously ws bad Czarking0 (talk) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Sri Lanka Oil Refinery

The article talks about plans to build oil refining in Sri Lanka. The info needs to be updated. Czarking0 (talk) 01:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Another source Czarking0 (talk) 03:38, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

References

Easy Joy

Sinopec has a non gas related arm. I have not convinced myself if it is notable enough to discuss in the article. Here are some sources if so.Czarking0 (talk) 19:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

It has been difficult to find good sources on their domestic activity so pursing Easy Joy may be a good strategy for finding source material. Czarking0 (talk) 05:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

References

History Gap

As the article currently stands there is effectively no history from 2014-2019 so additional sources for that time period would be appreciated. Czarking0 (talk) 22:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Saudi Aramco

There are a couple brief mentions of cooperation with Saudi Aramco. This should be expanded. Czarking0 (talk) 12:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Additional info Czarking0 (talk) 06:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done Czarking0 (talk) 18:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Czarking0 (talk) 22:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

The article also mentions Yasref a little which might be notable to expand? Czarking0 (talk) 03:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

References

Ominex de Colombia with ONGC

Intentionally left this out as the main RS source I found. Said it was not significant. Czarking0 (talk) 04:03, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Unocol Impact

Obviously this was not directly Sinopec but many of the sources I read indicate that the failed Unocol CNOOP deal had a large impact on the Going Out policy and the M&A strategy of the Chinese National Oil Companies. With this in mind I think it should be mentioned in the beginning of the international section where the article provides background on the M&A strategies. Czarking0 (talk) 05:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Iran

Crazy that there is no info about Iran relations in this article.

Yadavaran

Added info about this project. I think there is still significantly more to tell about the 2015-2023 timeline.

Garmsar

Just noting that this was a deal that occurred and then fell through. Probably not notable.

Neka

"Since 2001 Sinopec has built a huge oil terminal at the Caspian Sea port of Neka" Need info about this.

Tehran

"[Sinopec] has upgraded Iranian refineries at Tehran, Rey and Tabriz" Need info about this

Azadegan oilfield

Just noting this exists Looks like it is mostly CNPC activity. Also looks liek it was not very successful.

Zavareh-Kashan

Sinopec discovered oil here

In January 2001, Sinopec acquired a 50-per cent stake in the Zavareh-Kashan block from the NOIC at the cost of $13 million. However, the Zavareh-Kashan block had already been proved to be futile in the 1950s and again in the 1970s by Iranian and French Companies. It was not about to yield good news for Sinopec either. After investing in $65 million, Sinopec finally abandoned the project (Kong 2010:157)

So other sources disagree

Czarking0 (talk) 00:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

References

US Investment

I have a source saying these exist

Czarking0 (talk) 23:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

References

Misc Domestic Affairs

Due to the media landscape in China, it is difficult to find sources about what is occurring domestically. This has led to somewhat of a POV bias in the article because most of Sinopec's operations are domestic but most of the article is covering foreign interactions. I will collect some avenues here for expanding the domestic section. https://www.echemi.com/cms/319575.html Czarking0 (talk) 22:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Czarking0 (talk) 00:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done Czarking0 (talk) 18:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Eventually it is probably worthwhile to subsection domestic into various regions, Fujian, Tianjin, Hainan etc.Czarking0 (talk) 19:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Zhejiang has 23 million tonnes per year of crude refining capacity. I think this and the mention of other refineries raises the notability question of what refineries should be mentioned. For context in 2023 5.2 billion tonnes of crude were refined globally. China does 931 million of this. Sinopec does 260 million.

Reuters reporting a slowdown in domestic refinery approvals. Could be notable if there is more significant coverage of this. As it currently stands I am trying to assess if the "Overseas Holdings" subsidiary is actually notable enough for the article.Czarking0 (talk) 03:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

By Year Analysis

One way of assessing coverage is to check for missing time periods. The domestic section has no entries for these years

• 2003
• 2004
• 2007, covers Fujian
• 2008, covers Fujian
• 2009, covers Fujian
• 2010
• 2011
• 2012, covers Wuhan
• 2013, could use more coverage
• 2014
• 2015, could use more coverage
• 2016
• 2017, covers SECCO/ Shanghai
• 2018, covers Fujian
• 2019, covers Fujian
• 2020, could use more coverage
• 2021

Czarking0 (talk) 04:55, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

References

School Construction and other SASAC claims

• SASAC claims that Apache Corporation/ Sinopec have built a huge number of schools in Egypt. I would like an indenpendent source but this seems notable. Czarking0 (talk) 17:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
• Article does not mention anything about Senegal operations
• Nor Kenya operations
• Maybe more Cameroon info is notable? University cooperation?
• Are "Silk Road Book Corners" notable?

References

Fu Chengyu

Brookings seems to think that his reshuffle is notable. Maybe more sources can dig into this. Czarking0 (talk) 17:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

References

2023 Annual Report

Collection of sources and comments on how the 2023 publications can be used to improve the article.

Jiujiang

Obviously Xi's visit is notable and the article does not mention this at all.

Tianjin

It might be worth mentioning the "triple bottom line" which Sinopec Tianjin highlights. Czarking0 (talk) 19:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Instead I talked more broadly about 1 profit 5 rates Czarking0 (talk) 18:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Anqing

Notable?

Czarking0 (talk) 19:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

References

Alternative Energy

The article could use some work on how the alternative energy information is organized and what is considered notable. This is a good orthogonal effort for someone to work on. Czarking0 (talk) 05:10, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Abadan Refinery

It might be worth including in the Iran section. This is fairly large refinery. More info at Abadan Refinery Czarking0 (talk) 05:25, 18 December 2024 (UTC)