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"fractional power"

What does "fractional power" mean? You keep adding this term. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:56, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

And where are you getting this information from may I ask? I am not adding the term "fractional power" I've been having a discussion with Wtshymanski about why he keeps reverting edits I've made and deleting correspondence on his talk page that references our discussions. Basically I've been saying that "horsepower" is a redundant term that should really be "power" when the unit involved in defining that power is the Watt or kW. In the context that Wikipedia is for English speakers worldwide (see Wiki MoS Opportunities for commonality). I gave the example of the use of "square footage" for what is really "area", the one refers to feet and the other can be used for any unit, either square feet, inches or metres or centimetres. I've kept a copy of my initial text to Wtshymanski who appears to have deleted our conversation on his talk page. This has turned into an edit war, he reverts my edits with no consultation or communication with me. I suggested we arbitrate this as he is not interested in discussing the subject and is pejorative in correspondence. Avi8tor (talk) 05:37, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

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"Fractional power" seems meaningless. To be a fraction, it needs to be a fraction of a specific unit, not just the dimension. Also, for engineering reasons, the horsepower was a convenient unit to split motors into "large" and "small", so "fractional horsepower" makes sense, and still makes sense. It is a widely used unit, even in metric countries. I have a motor catalogue in my workshop which lists motors in separate chapters for "fractional horsepower" and above, then describes their power in watts. "Fractional kilowatt" would be just as good (although I've never heard it), but "fractional power" seems literally meaningless. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:51, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

You make a good point on fractional power, The watt is the unit of power in SI, so depending on the power of the motor, it could just as well be milliwatt, the do power clocks. I'll do some more research, I think fractional might be a legacy term for less than one horsepower, I lived in the US previously, they never used the term watts on any electric motor which was annoying because it allowed you to ascertain if your extension or outlet would support the motors power consumption. I've also lived in Kenya, South Africa, Botswana and the UAE. The British are almost as bad as the Americans clinging to legacy units of measurement. But I do know "horse" and power are not synonymous with Watts. What horsepower is your car? 66 kilowatts! Avi8tor (talk) 16:34, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at Kiira Hydroelectric Power Station. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as "edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

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Policy and practice here is generally in favour of using unit conversions. If you want to change this to remove them, then it's up to you to justify this. There is certainly no excuse for simply reverting and edit-warring other editors without doing so. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:36, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello Andy Dingley. I think your facts are 180 degrees out from the reality. I make an edit and Wtshymanski reverts it without any communication with me as to the merits or otherwise. When I make comments on how to resolve this by suggesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring on Wtshymanski talk page. Instead of communication with me this person contacts you and deletes what I've written on his talk page. He appears to be following my edits on my contribution page and reverting them. Can I ask where exactly you fit into this picture? I think Wtshymanski is the person you need to talk to. I'm more than willing to discuss any edit. Avi8tor (talk) 08:40, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

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Please see WP:ENGVAR and don't edit war to try and change the selling from the established variety, particularly where there is a national tie in the article to a specific country. In this instance, the article concerns British history, so British English spelling is used. - SchroCat (talk) 13:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

It appears Schrocat is the one edit warring! Every article has a national tie, and English is the language of many people outside Britain. I would refer you to https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/goaled which has no reference to "Goaled". This is not a common word in English. I would also refer you to MOS:Commonality which states: Use universally accepted terms rather than those less widely distributed. If you want goaled, may I suggest putting Jailed in parentheses so that someone outside your country can understand the meaning of the word? Avi8tor (talk) 05:40, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

1.per BRD, your bold edit was reverted, so don't just edit war to force in what you prefer. 2. Jailed in brackets? No, that's not the way things work. 3. "Every article has a national tie"; errr... no. Earth has no national tie, for example. 4. For a British spelling, I don't care what an American dictionary says. 5. Sign your posts. - SchroCat (talk) 05:31, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

I think it's time for mediation. You appear to be the pot calling the kettle black here. It's you who edit war to force what you prefer, not me. I've suggested a compromise. Avi8tor (talk) 05:40, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

I think you need to read WP:BRD. You were the one who didn't bother discussing once your first edit was removed: you started the edit warring. I returned it to the WP:STATUS QUO. Your "compromise" isn't an improvement, and not the way things work. Shall we go round changing "color" to "color (colour)", or shall we just accept that things are spelled differently in other varieties of English, and not everything has to be spelled out the way Americans need to have it. (Oh, and I'll point out that MW 'has no reference to "Goaled"': you need to look for "gaoled", not 'goaled') - SchroCat (talk) 05:47, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

I think your replies are becoming uncivil. Please read Wikipedia:Tendentious editing Avi8tor (talk) 06:16, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

I have said nothing uncivil to you at all. If that is as good as a response as you can come up with to the many inaccuracies and errors in what you have said previously, I'll take it that you have nothing constructive to add in reply. - SchroCat (talk) 06:22, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

If you look at https://grammarist.com/spelling/gaol-jail/ you will see that it is an obsolete word. Expecially for a worldwide audience. Avi8tor (talk) 15:37, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

I really don't care what an American website says about British English. I relay on the OED, which does not have a problem with the word. - SchroCat (talk) 15:50, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Is it an American website? I don't find any reference to any location. Unfortunately the OED is not available online, Do you have a web link? May I suggest you have both the term Gaol and Jail? Avi8tor (talk) 15:55, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the OED is available online, but only if you have a subscription. No, I won't add the non-British spelling, that's just not what we do. Will you go round all the American English articles to add jail, or boot (for trunk) or aeroplane (for airplane)? Of course you wouldn't, because it's just not how this place works. - SchroCat (talk) 16:05, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

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Hello. I'm not actually sure what it is you want, can you be more explicit. Avi8tor (talk) 12:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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Deeday-UK is correct. As it is a direct quote, it is to be reproduced verbatim, including any grammar editors. FYI, Simon Hradecky does not have English as his first language. He speaks German first and foremost but does pretty well at English. I'd rate him at en-4. Mjroots (talk) 18:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree Mr Hradecky's English is good, a reader can easily get the gist of what he's intending but it's still not good English. Perhaps his comments corrected in a paragraph instead of his quote with a source link to the original comments. This communication on a talk page is what should have happened in the first place. Avi8tor (talk) 08:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

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@Avi8tor: Please read up about horsepower and see if you can understand the mistake you are making. You cannot use that template converting to Kilowatts with that RAC horsepower rating. Please fix your mistakes. Eddaido (talk) 11:16, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm aware of horsepower and the fact there are two different horsepower, but the Manual of Style stipulates that if an English speaking country does not use the SI then there should be both SI and what is used locally. I'm not aware of any mistakes so please be more specific. Avi8tor (talk) 14:48, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

I can understand you are upset to find you are making such simple errors. Please don't follow it up with unhelpful edits labelled grammar etc. {when they are not) that downgrade the articles concerned. Thank you. Eddaido (talk) 21:20, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

@Eddaido: Upset? Your comments are unhelpful and without context and frankly rude. There is no consensus that the horsepower on the Rover Motorbike is either the real power or the RAC fiscal power. More research is necessary. Avi8tor (talk) 05:51, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

RAC horsepower

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Hello, thanks for your email. I am responding here because I don't want to reveal my email, I hope you understand. What you did is perfectly good. All I did is tagged your blank draft for deletion as there is no point of keeping an empty draft on Wikipedia. Let me know if you have any more questions. Eyebeller 10:29, 8 January 2021 (UTC) Hi, very quick reply. What's the correct procedure if I do something in my Sandbox and then incorporate the content into an existing article? There appear to be many villages in France with plenty on the French section but almost nothing on the English page. I intend to spend a bit of time translating and updating information using my Sandbox as a template. Avi8tor (talk) 10:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

If you are writing content which you don't want to be its own article you can create your sandbox here: User:Avi8tor/Sandbox and you can keep that as long as you want. You should only write in the draft space if you plan to publish the text as an article. Eyebeller 10:36, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

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Horsepower

Hi Avi8tor! I just discovered another option when converting power. {{cvt|125|hp-metric|kW|0|disp=flip}} produces the following (and placing kW first when used on modern cars):

92 kW (125 hp)

This way we can avoid having two kinds of horsepower for so many articles, avoiding redundancy without confusing people. Since the template reads "metric-hp" it is also clear to editors precisely which unit is referenced. It may still be better to use PS for German/Japanese/Korean cars since that is how metric horsepower is styled in those countries, but personally I disagree with using a German abbreviation in :en:wp. Tell me what you think.  Mr.choppers | ✎  20:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree, I wasn't aware of this one, I personally think PS is going the way of the dodo with the sale of electric vehicles, I think everything will move over to kilowatts and be on the same page. Most readers would still not understand either horsepower or metric horsepower, then we also have fiscal horsepower which appears to no longer be used, Electric cars are 0 CV in France ~~ Avi8tor (talk) 09:10, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

I think hp will remain the unit of choice when describing internal combustion engines. It makes for a neat switchover, and kW is very appropriate for electrics. Surprisingly, in many countries that use customary metric units, editors and manufacturers are now using horsepower to describe electric cars! (I am mostly familiar with Scandinavia but I have seen it in French sources as well.) I am not advocating such retrograde steps.  Mr.choppers | ✎  14:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

I have noticed, makes more sense if you have a battery in kWh and a motor that consumes power at a rate of kW. I have an electric car and mostly on a flat road it uses about 8-12 kWh with cruise control at 80 km/h. Avi8tor (talk) 19:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

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London Beer Flood

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The MOS:UNIT quite clearly states "Quantities are typically expressed using an appropriate "primary unit", displayed first, followed, when appropriate, by a conversion in parentheses e.g. 200 kilometres (120 mi)" I am someone who used and understands only the metric system and as per the MOS would like SI units included in this article. Someone unknown keeps reverting it. My edits follow the manual of style which the article does not. I have no idea if the author in question is banned, but an IP address can change each time you log on so I have no idea who this might be. When I initially pointed out that the 38 tons could not be correct I was chastised, it was original research. My comments on the mass of the beer were on the talk page for 2 weeks with no added comments so I changed the page, included SI and it was reverted, possibly by the same person who's doing this now with no discussion. After finding a source from the author of the original source showing my math to be correct, all references to mass were now removed. This article is full of imperial gallons with no other unit displayed. Do we follow the manual of style or not? Far too often it's not. Avi8tor (talk) 10:04, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

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South African Settlement Infoboxes

Hi Avi8tor.

I have seen the edit you did to the Infobox of Durban on 26 February 2023 ([2]), as well as the edit you did to the Infobox of Kempton Park today ([3]).

Well, The figure in the Infobox should display exactly the way it is in "the citation provided", which is why it is important to see how the Infobox looks after you have submitted your edit. (Make Sure the "decimal point" is displaying in the correct place & that viewers can see nicely that it is a decimal number)

For Example, Durban has an area of "225.91" square kilometres. But after your edit, it was now displaying as "22,591" when I loaded the page on my phone browser, regardless of where exactly you put the comma when typing.

So, specifically on the "area" section of the Infobox, I have changed those "commas" back to "full stops" (decimal points) on both the mentioned pages for the specific reason of "Display" (Appearance).

The demographics sections do not seem affected so I have left them the way you left them (with "commas").

Here's A Tip: Wikipedia is similar to a "Calculator". Only use "commas" when marking thousands on a number & use "full stops" when writing a decimal number. GeographicAccountant (talk) 18:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that when the "area" figure is edited, it might mess up the figure appearing on "Population Density"! Like, when you edited Riebeek West on 02 February 2023, the figure in the infobox changed from "3.43" to "343" square kilometres and as such, the "Population Density" figure that is appearing there is calculated by doing "4350/343" rather than by doing "4350/3.43", which results in an incorrect figure being displayed.

So, I urge you to go to all the pages where you changed the "full stop" into a "comma" on the "area" figure in the Infobox & revert the edits so that "correct information" is displayed! The figures in the Infobox should look exactly like the figures in the citation provided for that Infobox. Also read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Decimal points. Thanks. GeographicAccountant (talk) 18:51, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @GeographicAccountant: for the feedback. As you probably know if you live in SA, the Decimal separator format in South Africa is a space for the thousand separator and a comma for the decimal marker (Australia I was told about a month ago has just changed to the same format). I have seen a bit of markup language that formats the whole page the way it should be in South Africa, but have not been able to locate it again. This would be similar to "use South African English". When I edited these it was a bit of an experiment and I had 2 pages open so I could see what happened, obviously I missed what you picked up. I have read MOS:DIGITS and MOS:DECIMAL. The former allows a thin space and the latter wants a period/dot. I asked probably 5 years ago for Wikipedia to update their manual of style to allow the format the country uses. I'll see if I can fix what you pointed out until their is some markup language that will do the whole page. Avi8tor (talk) 12:04, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

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Moved to talk page of Japanese aircraft carrier Hōshō. Avi8tor (talk) 16:54, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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Horsepower

I still don't know what's the best abbreviation to use, since there is no standard, agreed upon method:

• {{cvt|140|PS|kW|0|disp=flip}} gives: 103 kW (140 PS) Just PS - inappropriate for many countries since it is a German abbreviation. Admittedly widely accepted, and used in South Korea and Japan as well. May confuse Americans, requiring inclusion of hp as well:
• {{cvt|140|PS|kW PS hp|0|order=out}} gives: 103 kW (140 PS; 138 hp) - kW, PS, and hp: clunky, often unnecessary to use three different units for every mention
• {{cvt|140|hp-metric|kW|0|disp=flip}} gives: 103 kW (140 hp) Just hp - can cause confusion as people cannot always tell whether the unit is metric or imperial hp.
• CV, ch, hk, etc - using abbreviations in specific languages is confusing and isn't really justifiable for English language WP. I tried it for a while but I don't think it works.

I lean towards using all three for many articles to avoid confusion - clunkiness be damned - reserving strictly PS/kW for certain markets (makes sense in Japan, South Korea, occasionally elsewhere). Any opinion? Thanks,  Mr.choppers | ✎  16:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Well European_units_of_measurement_directives requires all EU vehicles state the power in kW, apparently since the 1971, it's all in there. So I don't know if anyone outside the EU would understand PS anyway, hp yes! I've found many magazines and newspapers tend to round the number to what they use and then convert it which leads to errors. It seems fairly easy to download or look at Owner manuals online which is an official document for that vehicle. Personally HP/kW or kW/HP. You do a lot of good work, keep it up. Avi8tor (talk) 16:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I have never seen anyone round the power figures - I have seen lots of misconversions, which is what I am trying to avoid. Court decisions are well and nice but are not always reflected in what people do. I wanted to know your opinion on how best to distinguish between metric hp and imperial hp and to clarify which unit is being used. Some cars, like the Peugeot 505, were sold in the UK using imperial hp, which means all three units are to be used - but writing 118 kW (160 hp; 158 hp) is somewhat confusing.

The Venturi 260, for instance, has 260 metric horsepower (hence the name). So do we write 260 PS (191 kW; 256 hp), 260 PS (191 kW), or 260 hp (191 kW)?  Mr.choppers | ✎  23:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes I agree. I'd just go with PS, it seems pretty widespread. Because people use hp when it's really metric-hp it's probably more accurate to get the kW figure out of the owners handbook and use that for conversions. Bear in mind that in the UK and the rest of Europe they list the power only in kilowatts in the owners manual by law or statute (per the directive above). It's magazines and newspapers that convert it to other units. Avi8tor (talk) 05:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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Distance conversions on Diane Leather

I get the good intentions of your edits adding conversion templates to Diane Leather, but in some cases it affects the accuracy of the article. As a 1950s middle distance runner, Leather would run races in Britain over imperial distances like 880 yards, and in continental Europe over metric ones like 800 metres. When her biggest notability as a athlete is setting world records, we can't say 880 yards (800 metres) - those are two separate events and those extra 4 metres make a big difference! It feels like there ought to be a more elegant way of handling some of these. Oldelpaso (talk) 07:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello Oldelpaso, I see your point, but we also have to recognize that there are many English speaking nations that went metric in the 1960's, and anyone under 50 is not necessarily going to know what a mile or 880 yards are. It probably just needs the modern SI equivalent number (rounded to give some idea) at the first mention of mile and yards in this case. Avi8tor (talk) 09:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)