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• link to my response for talk-page stalkers.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:59, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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— I'll leave it in place. I'm becoming weary about continued discussion about the rescue template. However, check out my comments on my talk page. Perhaps discussion about using the ARS list and other ARS matters should be posted on the talk page for the ARS. I've noticed that not many people participate there, but at least the information would be there for people to consider. Northamerica1000^(talk) 15:13, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Canadian Gun Nutz

Thanks for helping! JunoBeach (talk) 22:47, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

There was clearly no consensus, so the article should have stayed. It is unfortunate we have deletionists that are supported by the admins, against Wikipedia policy. I will not be rewriting the article. thanks JunoBeach (talk) 00:14, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Austin Mahone for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Austin Mahone is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Austin Mahone until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. ׺°”˜`”°º×ηυηzια׺°”˜`”°º× 17:44, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

DRV

You asked to be notified of the Rescue tag DRV. Am I the only one at ARS who has noticed it? Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 January 27 Diego (talk) 21:14, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

• I was not aware of it yet, thanks for the notification.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 21:17, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
  • hi thanks for your help in things. im curious what is the point of that rescue tag? Bouket (talk) 23:23, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Essentially, to identify articles currently at AfD that can possibly improved and "rescued." See also User:Milowent/History of the Article Rescue Squadron.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 00:01, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

i see but how is it different from having a list like there is now? just trying to understand Bouket (talk) 20:29, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

The current list will really only be accessed by those who frequent ARS; neither the article creator nor any other editor or reader will likely be aware of it, and thus decide to investigate whether the article indeed can be rescued. The template was a tool that has prevented new editors from leaving Wikipedia in frustration in some cases, and has brought in new editors. I myself became an active Wikipedian after learning about the rescue squad via AfD. The number of active wikipedians is on the decline and the wikigods have pretty much decried this state of affairs, yet tools which have been recognized to help newby editors stick around[1] still gets whacked.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 02:04, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

ehh

delete my rant if you must, social media addicts.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 00:26, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Civility note

Please refrain from personal attacks at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 January 27 and try to remain WP:CIVIL. Arguing your point is fine, but cussing and accusing people isn't. Stifle (talk) 13:36, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

• Indeed, you are only too right. I have calmed down at this point, I'm very disappointed at what's going on at the DRV, even though its much what I expected.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 02:00, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Hey Milowent, I don't think I participated in the AfD or the DRV, though I saw the earlier ANI thread that I think started because of the block on DreamFocus. It's like I woke up one day and the Rescue template was gone--odd. Not that I disagree with the decision, I guess. Anyway, I just dropped by to say "hey, how you doing": Hey Milowent, how you doing? I think it's funny that you and I, as far as I remember, haven't been seriously at odds, and we're both extremists--at least according to the extremists on the other side, haha. Keep up the good work, and one day you and I will have a beer, and maybe an orange soda for DreamFocus. The Colonel, I think, drinks bourbon. I'd invite some extreme deletionists, but there may not be enough vinegar in the bar to satisfy their appetite, haha. Later! Drmies (talk) 15:50, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh, do I get an ARS-approved lollypop for a good deed? Drmies (talk) 15:56, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Flip Burger Boutique

Hi, Milowent, just a note to say thank you for your extensive cleanup of the above article. It's very much better now and the cleanup makes it easier for other editors to work without having to slash through a jungle of words. Nice work. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 06:56, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for your kind note!--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:35, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Knock knock

Do you have access to the NYT archives via ProQuest? If so, this "Anne Nagel Divorce Approved 23 May 1951: 44" (ProQuest ID 112223506) definitely raised an eyebrow. If not, I'll email you a copy because its always more fun to share :) Cheers, --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 18:54, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• I actually subscribe to the NYT so I was able to pull it up. Weird! Cocker spaniel peace offering? Thanks for sharing!--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:02, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

She filed for divorce citing "cruelty" because he "unraveled her knitting"?! Her entire history is bizarre. A brief example:

1) Her first husband committed suicide shortly after they married

2) Her second husband (he of the knitting and dog-knapping) contacted her the day before their wedding to say he might not be able to make it to the US for another 17 months (NYT Anne Nagel's Wedding Trip Off Aug 23, 1941; pg 7)

3) a surgeon (who just happens to be Mary Astor's ex-husband, natch) performed an appendectomy on her, and reportedly removed her ovaries without telling her!

I mean, Holy Hannah, you seriously cannot make this stuff up because no one would believe you. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 19:20, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I should subscribe to your talk page, Milowent. Keep it coming, you two. Drmies (talk) 22:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

BTW, her first husband's first wife also killed herself. Drmies (talk) 22:31, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I know!! The entire sordid tale is awesome in its sheer incredulousness (and if that's not a word, it should be). Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 22:38, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

And replace "incredulity"? I love a sordid story, BTW. Oh, and that article is just begging to become a GA. With pictures of the corpses and ovaries. And the pooch. Drmies (talk) 22:40, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Has this story in all its sordid glory been told anywhere before? Truly amazing stuff.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 04:06, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

RfC

Hello, you recently participated in a straw poll concerning a link at the Campaign for "santorum" neologism article. I am giving all the poll participants a heads-up that a RfC on the same issue is being conducted here. B^e——C_ritical 19:46, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

check out

the table at The Hiker (Kitson) and see what you think. Then add one thing to it. Einar Carptrash (talk) 21:56, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Oddcast (company)

Nice rescue job on the article. I've replied to your points at Talk:Oddcast (company). Bazj (talk) 19:22, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

On the state of AFD

I just left a lengthy reply/comment on Ed Poor's talk page in this discussion. [2] That may not be the best place for it, and if you can think of a better place for it, feel free to quote it elsewhere. --Tothwolf (talk) 14:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Article Rescue Squadron Newsletter

Article Rescue Squadron Newsletter Volume I, Issue III February 2012 Front cover | Feature | News and announcements | Humor | Want ads To contribute to the next newsletter, please visit the Newsletter draft page. ARS Members automatically receive this newsletter. To opt out, please remove your name from the recipients list.

Talkback

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Hey Milowent, I left you a crappy note here. Don't know if that's the best place for it, but I'm hoping that the general point I'm trying to make may be of use to someone. I'm not necessarily starting a discussion there (there's little point to it, I think), I'm suggesting what an admin's POV might be in that scenario. Take it easy! Drmies (talk) 15:30, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

• Drmies, thanks for posting your perspective, I think its important that we hear that point of view, as ARS members are typically not those dealing with the influx of new article crap. Not every stub is a precious snowflake. I am concerned that we run off potentially good future editors with our current processes, but that's a subjective belief and I'm not sure how to test it. Need to ponder more.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 15:34, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh, I have no doubt that some editors are driven off by CSD and other things--the question is, would they have been decent contributors in the first place? There's this kid who says he's a great Haitian rapper and the next superstar and keeps returning to post 'his' article--that's no loss, if he ever leaves. I am also sure (but could never prove it) that many academics are driven off by a few things: overeager taggers, and quick criticism (justified or not) of their writing style and citation systems. Mind you, the childishness at ANI (and I was involved in way too much of it yesterday) doesn't help either. True, not every stub is a precious snowflake. I'd like to see a meeting of the minds, in which the more extreme ARSers fight a match to the death with the more extreme NPPers (you know, the kids that claim to be VANDAL FIGHTERS! IN THE TWINKLE OF AN EYE! SHOOTING VANDALISM ON SIGHT!). I think those NPPers probably outnumber those ARSers, though, and that's the fight you're waging every day I imagine.

    Listen, my dear Milowent, I have a suggestion which won't make me any more popular. If you run into one of those Twinkley CSD kids, shooting from the hip and thinking that they're saving the fucking world by CSD tagging, drop me a line. I mean the editors who get it wrong more than a couple of times--not the ones who actually turn out to be correct most often. I don't know what's an acceptable success rate, but if you see someone who gets reverted maybe 2 or 3 out of 10 times, let me know and I'll talk to them. Usually it's just a matter of re-explaining some guidelines. Oh, DGG will probably do that as well if you ask him, though I think you probably know that already. On a happier note: happy birthday Charles Dickens! Now I'm going to pretend to earn my paycheck. [*clicks Boss button*] Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:30, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

ANI

You been mentioned at ANI here.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 18:13, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• Really? Can't wait to check out what shit you've sprayed there, will do so w/in next 12 hours.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 22:19, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Milowent - make sure you make a pot of tea first, you may need it. I recommend steeping it with something soothing, perhaps chamomile. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 22:23, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the calming suggestion. :-) --Milowent • ^hasspoken 02:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

For your reading pleasure, to peruse whilst sipping your tea perhaps? --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 21:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

On that note: keep biting your tongue, Milowent. (I wrote this in invisible HTML code, so no one can accuse me of being in cahoots with you. Clever, no?) Also, I won't sign this, so no one knows it's me, Jack Black.

Invitation

Hello, Milowent. You are invited to join WikiProject Cleanup, a WikiProject and resource for Wikipedia cleanup listings, information and discussion. To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:35, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Rename at Campaign for "santorum" neologism

Hello, since you recently participated in an RfC at Campaign for "santorum" neologism, I thought you might be interested in this proposal for renaming the article, or perhaps another of the rename proposals on the page. Best, B^e——C_ritical 22:06, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Civility warning for personal attacks

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

(Also, per WP:WITHDRAWN that AFD had been closed, just not templated properly!)

Wikipedians also recommend biscuits with tea

Mistress Selina Kyle ^{(Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉)} has given you a cup of tea, for taking the time to weather a dispute. Thanks for staying calm and civil! Tea promotes WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day ever so slightly better.

Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a tea, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy!

Spread the lovely, warm, refreshing goodness of tea by adding {{subst:wikitea2}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

--Mistress Selina Kyle ^{(Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉)} 08:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Well yeah, but at least it was done with some style! Also, Selina, I've edited the AfD, I don't think that copying others' posts (especially with the signature) is advisable. pablo 09:43, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

No, it was a pretty lame attempt really, I just don't think people should encourage this stuff or it just never ends, admins can't babysit everyone:

Plip!

As for the second subject, replied on that at your talk page --Mistress Selina Kyle ^{(Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉)} 09:58, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

That was a personal attack? I love personal attacks but that was not intended to be one. That's what I get for wading into something where I don't know the whole backstory. Personally I revere old wikipedia editors, you have to credit their knowledge of how things actually happened back when cuneiform was used--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:43, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I hope you know...

This edit was completely uncalled for. And the template, by all rights, should be CSDed, as it was recreation of deleted content. You and DreamFocus need to realize when to throw in the towel Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 03:46, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

• I don't care about the latest baloney on the template, as I have made clear. I laugh at the time being absolutely wasted on it. But your comments like "Oh my fuckin' God" in the TFD hurt my tender sensibilities.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 04:02, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
  • If you don't want any time wasted on it, why not let it be CSDed? Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 04:27, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
    • Because it's already at TfD and CSDing it would interrupt that process that was the result of an AN discussion? Silverseren^C 15:25, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

• Silver seren wins 10 points!--Milowent • ^hasspoken 15:31, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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Arrinera

Thankyou. In what way can i help expand it? Perhaps by adding Lee Noble's role in the venture? Or adding the Veno specs? All these are mentioned at Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Arrinera Automotive, while lacking in the Arrinera article. Also, what should happen to the incubated version? Should it not be removed now that we have an actual article? Cheers- and sorry for the flood of questions.Fotoriety (talk) 22:09, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

A pie for you!

Your self deprecating humor on the {{rescue}} TfD made me laugh. v/r - TP 02:50, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

ARS

I've been sitting around the campfire contemplating matters, and well, the ARS has been through several shakedowns lately, but hopefully it will continue to thrive and make music! Northamerica1000^(talk) 13:00, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, they can never stop our rock and roll! :-) --Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:02, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

ANI

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. NYyankees51 (talk) 18:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Please stay off my talk page unless you have something constructive to discuss. NYyankees51 (talk) 20:32, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I have just now seen the ANI thread. I wish you tried to discuss with me earlier, but instead you ignored me again and again. I pledge to stay off your talk page, because talking requires the other party to actually listen.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 01:49, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

A suggestion

Hmm, Milo. Get back in the habit of waiting five seconds before hitting "save page" and you'll get that steam out first.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 01:51, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, me. I think I will.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 01:51, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Silk Purse Award

		Silk Purse Award
		I am both pleased and honored to present you with the Silk Purse Award in appreciation for your superb improvements to the A Union in Wait article, essentially changing what was seen as a sow's ear into a terrific silk purse. Improving articles to serve the project reflects the best of what Wikipedia is all about. Well done. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:38, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, MQS, I needed that! :-)--Milowent • ^hasspoken 02:34, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Austin Talkback

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ILGLaw

Hi, you voted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender & Intersex Law Association. We looked for sources and I posted a review of each of the sources which were found. The sources do not seem to be enough to pass GNG. Would you care to comment or to change your vote? Dingo1729 (talk) 06:09, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

• I never actually voted there, but you don't seem to swaying many I guess.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 02:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Can I get a lol?

apparently not.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 20:10, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

A structural solution to good-faith deletion battles

Hi Milowent-- I stumbled across some of your essays and found that we are worried about the same problem. Would you look over Wikipedia:Deletions and Openness and see what you think? I'm not an expert at policy formation, so your advice would be very welcome. --HectorMoffet (talk) 09:26, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

• Hector, this is an interesting essay, I agree with much of what is on there. Unfortunately there are others who don't seem to see the problem of how our deletion policies and implementation are harming editor recruitment and retention.

• I am not in favor of renaming AfD as "articles for discussion," as I fear it masks what AfD is really about -- editors seeking to delete articles. The talk page of an article is for discussion, AfD is a trial of the article, not a discussion of it. You are not the first to suggest this change, I've just never liked it for those reasons.
• I do like something like "Slow down speedy deletion process to 1-6 hrs for good-faith non-libelous contributions." I agree with this. The problem is that totally bullshit articles ("Bill Bopppy is an awesome 13 year old" --pretty common stuff like that) should be deleted immediately, but there are legitimate articles being caught in CSD regularly. Regular prods should be used whenever possible instead of CSD. When I see CSDs tacked on articles that are years old, like I just saw on the six-year old article Duo-Tang, I am quite angered.
• The idea of "Shared Userspace to encourage mentorship and collaborative drafting" is supposed to be the job of Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation, I think.
• There is nothing much more uncivil than wrongful deletion of somebody's creation, but those doing that deletion don't even realize its uncivil. That's the big problem. I'd love to suggest that every editor must create 1 article for every 5 he sends to a deletion process, but that won't work for new page patrol types. We do need NPP.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 16:03, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Duo-Tang

Take a look at what I have done with Duo-Tang and Esselte. What I did was remove the stub tag from the article, make the talk page say class=start, added the Companies template, and then went to the Esselte page and added the purchase of Duo-Tang, with the inline tags, thus upgrading the Esselte article, too. When an article is the _target of a deletion process, my effort always includes making sure the talk page has appropriate templates, and improving the status of the article in whatever way I can. See Amabile Choirs of London, Canada, where I did some improvements, recruited some help from ARS and the Wikify people, and left the article much less vulnerable to an AfD attempt. I have done the Duo-Tang article, and I will go ahead and check out at least some of the others. --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Candidates for office not notable

Candidates for political office who have never held office before are rarely considered notable for that reason, unless they are already notable for some other reason, wealth, family, achievements in sports or something else that makes them notable before they run for office. The way that a bit of information about a candidate is accepted on Wikipedia is to insert it in their opponent's biography. --DThomsen8 (talk) 02:27, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

• I agree that's true generally, is there a particular case where I argued otherwise?--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:42, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		A barnstar for your humorous remarks I've seen in the past. Thanks for the friendly approach and good humor. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:48, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Quebec nursing home

My apologies for hitting the wrong tab on my nomination. I did not mean to get the article speedily deleted. I meant to Afd it. Student7 (talk) 14:02, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

• Ahh, you've restore my faith then. Thanks.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:03, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion over the article List of Hot 100 number-one singles of the 2010s (U.S.)

Dear Milowent. I just wanted to let you know that a merge discussion is currently taking place regarding the content of this article (as you probably remember, you participated in an AfD held over this article in the past) and the content of the rest of the U.S. number-one by-decade series of articles.

Please express your opinion on this matter in the current discussion. Thank you. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 21:06, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Nice

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		For your impressive sourcing work and rescuing of Dr. Enuf and Solo (Norwegian soft drink) while they were at AfD. SilverserenC 22:46, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Half Barnstar

I just wanted to say that your response to Balloonman, apologizing for your comment, on AN was a very mature thing to do. It is why, despite that you are a devout ARS members, I still see you as reasonable and capable of discussion. Sometimes folks get so extreme in their views, they forget there are perfectly legitimate opposing viewpoints (whether right or wrong) that deserve discussions and respect. It's always good to keep an open ear even to your 'opponents'. v/r - TP 22:30, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm gonna treasure this half a barnstar, TP, as it is meaningful. We've sparred a little bit I guess, but I am pleased you can see what some cannot; beneath my histrionics I think I am reasonable. I think DA's RfC is a primarily a farce, but something good may come out of it, I guess. And though I do get "upset" around here, I also know life's far too short to really be upset about anything on wikipedia.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 02:50, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Silver Drive-In

Your point at the AFD got me thinking as well. As the sources you found show a regional, if not world-wide or country-wide notability, I have used your seraches and provided a contectual and sourced mention at Johnstown, Pennsylvania#Landmarks... one of the few places where it makes sense to send readers seeking such knowledge. Seem okay with you? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 06:07, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

• Sounds great to me.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 18:50, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

I seek your input

in THIS discussion. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:48, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Eh, Sexuality of Osama bin Laden

Eh, I saw the article (which is up for PROD anyway) on T:TDYK, and reverted your joke edit before noticing whose edit I was rolling back. I wouldn't have marked it as vandalism otherwise. Anyway, have a nice day. -- クラウド６６８ 18:55, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll just put some templates up here in case anyone complains about rv'ing and not putting templates up.

Welcome, and thank you for your attempt to lighten up Wikipedia. However, this is an encyclopedia and the articles are intended to be serious, so please don't make joke edits, as you did to Sexuality of Osama bin Laden. Readers looking for accurate information will not find them amusing. If you'd like to experiment with editing, try the sandbox, where you can write practically anything you want.

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		But that's funny, so whatever -- クラウド６６８ 19:07, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

DRV of Andre Barnett

As you participated in the relevant AFD on Barnett, I'm notifying you of the DRV which is [Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_March_25 here]. Valenciano (talk) 16:06, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

something cool I thought you might like

You can make it so that whenever someone edits your user or talk page, an imagine loads up and some text. Edit my page to see an example. User talk:Milowent\Editnotice is where you add the code to. You can put it on any page at all, just add in the \editnotice bit. Dream Focus 17:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Jacob Hyer, and then the references

'Jacob Hyer Images and Drawings exist If only the Wiki people weren't so anxious to delete my entry on the world famous boxing historian who has them, maybe I could have provided them....Robert (the entry on the historian has since been reposted). I have provided the second party references for Robert Brizel, Henry Hascup and Joe Antonacci. Incidentally, the so-called 'theshhold' of books, newspapers and magazines cited as a requirement is a standing joke. Famous boxing writers like Brizel write for internet sites and get millions of hits a day. Everything in boxing is now internet based. The so-called book, magazine and article boxing writers who write for print only (not the internet) were fired years ago. Those references and reporters don't exist in the boxing profession in the current digital era.

Playmate AfD

your diff here mentions putting these playmate articles in their corresponding year articles. I'm not trying to waste anyones time, is there a better process for incorporating these small articles into the year articles and then deleting them? I plan on going through the next several decades. I will be more careful to find previous AfD articles.Fasttimes68 (talk) 01:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

• If someone is truly non-notable, and its uncontroversial, redirect the article to the proper subsection of the playmate article for that year, and make sure that subsection gets all the same content put in it. If someone debates that redirect, they can revert and we can have an AfD on it.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 01:34, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Sorry for the bother. Fasttimes68 (talk) 01:37, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

One last thing. Is this what you had in mind? Gale_Olson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fasttimes68 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I tweaked the redirect so it goes to the proper subsection.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:38, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Straight Pride

Take the time to read the reasons why other editors object to the article as it is BEFORE wasting your time making changes and other editors' time having to sort through your edits and revert those that violate our policies. A lot of what you are doing is unconstructive OR and Synth, and editorializing. If you want to "rescue" an article, fine. But at least take the time to find out what you are "rescuing" it from. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 18:05, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

You need to take a breather. I know how to write and improve articles. What I have done so far is cut out a lot of horrible crap from that article. If the article gets deleted, that's fine, I'll post it on my blog and earn money from it. The subject now interests me and the pursuit of knowledge is why I am on wikipedia. I do think the subject is notable, though I can see how neglect and lack of competence has led to its current sorry state.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 18:11, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I realize your acting in good faith, but some of the things you did were misguided and uncontructive, like making a link between isolated and unrelated events that simply does not exist in the sources. The "Notable Straight Pride Event" section is purely your own synthesis. It will have to be deleted in its entirety. It gives the impression that there is some type of unified "Straight Pride" movement with a "history" of your own creation. None of that exists in any of the sources you used. Right now, it looks like the article is going to be deleted. Your rescue effort would be more effective if you took into consideration the points brought up by the editors who !voted for and against it. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 18:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

If you want to discuss some of my edits, feel free to do so on the talk page of the article. The AfD is on day 1 of 7 days, so I hardly think it can be predicted right now what is to happen to it. I hardly care much about the editors who already reviewed it, unless they choose to come back. As to "notable" events, Wikipedia is full of articles like this. If an event meets WP:GNG, its possibly subject to inclusion. The random selling of t-shirts at one tea party rally however, was not notable and deserving of a separate subjection, so I deleted it. The "history" is also not of my own creation, it is clearly derived from the sources.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 18:40, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	That was awesome! 8-o Diego (talk) 19:11, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you, sir. I have a bit of non-orientation-specific pride myself now. :-)--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:15, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to extend my congratulations too. Whether or not the article is kept, you have done an excellent job tying the information together, and you are a credit to the encyclopedia. Worm^TT · (talk) 19:28, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Wow, I may never wash my talk page again now!--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:41, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Anti-Adams and Anti-Playmate Agenda?

Is there some sort of reason why user:fasttimes68 keeps removing information about Stephanie Adams everywhere she was added on Wikipedia? Why is he still on here and why wasn't he banned from editing this subject? July 24, Playboy Playmate, Wilhelmina Models, he even removed, than had someone else remove her in a list of women writers, just check his "contributions." The list goes on and he is trying to remove lots of other playmates from Wikipedia. Are there any reasonable and objective people here willing to correct the/his problem/abuse? LIJUAL (talk) 13:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

• There's some ridiculously contorted back story with Stephanie Adams, see [3]. You are a "new" editor (ha fucking ha), so obviously you probably know more about that drama than me. If you want to catalog any list of diffs you disagree with re FastTimes68, please do so below. Its bizarre that I have gotten involved in playmate AfDs, there are some editors out there who are oddly squeamish about naked women and they come around from time to time trying to "fix" unknown problems. If some playmates aren't individually notable, we simply include them in a list article for the playmates of that year, no content gets deleted. I know with Stephanie Adams, I vaguely recall that fasttimes68 may have had some bizarre fetish regarding her specifically and her claims of sexual orientation or something like that. You'll have to tell me if you're one of the people fighting that ridiculous battle.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

BTW, that is exactly what I'm doing. Moving the non-notables into the main list articles for that year per consensus. I'm not touching any content whatsoever. Once again I apologize to you and the other AfD patrol members for all the nominations. Fasttimes68 (talk) 13:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Also, July 24? If you are referring to the edits of this blocked IP, [4], sorry those were shit edits. We don't need Stephanie Adams on the Jul 24 page, she's not significantly notable to merit that.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

She should be re-added to the list of women writers. Those removals by this fast user were pure bitterness from his longtime "bizarre fetish" - as you put it - with her. 71.183.42.86 (talk) 13:26, 5 April 2012 (UTC) Oh, and the Wilhelmina Models, and Playboy Playmate pages. Definitely a bitter agenda going on here and not helpful to the purpose of providing information on wiki. 71.183.42.86 (talk) 13:29, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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Hi - How are you doing? I wanted to thank you for all the great work you're clearly doing here, on articles I wrote and many many other articles.. I was wondering if you could help me in my research.. I'm looking for two things. Tduk (talk) 01:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

• #1 - Do you know of any pages that were blanked and then speedy deleted without anyone noticing (immediately)? I know I've seen this happen. Tduk (talk) 01:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

• #2 - Do you know of any particularly partisan AfDs you could point me to? Tduk (talk) 01:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Any help you could give would be appreciated. Thanks. Oh, also, do you know where the debate was that decided deleted pages' histories are not visible to normal users? Tduk (talk) 01:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Tduk (talk) 01:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

• Greeting, Tduk, good to see you again. As to your questions:

(1) I don't have any I can think of offhand. Speedy deletion abuses usually only get noted when the original author (often a newbie editor) figures out how to get the article restored and its immediately run through another gauntlet by being tested at AfD. At User:Milowent/CSD issues I've tried to keep track of articles I remove a CSD notice from, but I'm not necessarily checking to see what articles are tagged regularly, and a tagged article (such as for A7 - no importance asserted) will not stick around for long once tagged. None of those, so far, have been cases where an article is blanked first. I think if a creator blanks their new article, it can be interpreted as a request for deletion, even if it seems to really have been done because the editor was upset at having his content questioned by a CSD or PROD.

(2) Partisan AfDs? Oh, never! For current ones, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Straight_pride_(3rd_nomination) right now is a mess, and at DRV, Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_April_2#Jim_Hawkins_.28radio_presenter.29 is creating much drama. If want ones already closed, let me know, I am sure I could find more.

(3) "do you know where the debate was that decided deleted pages' histories are not visible to normal users" - that long predates me, I am sure we could find it out, though, but I am pretty sure it predates 2007.

--Milowent • ^hasspoken 03:31, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response:

(1) I know that I saw one a while ago. Some random person blanked a page, then A7ed it or something. Then an admin saw it, though "oh, this is no good", and deleted it. I wish I could find it again. I had to point it out to the admin.

(3) Ahh I thought you would know about that. I know I came across it some time ago but I didn't bookmark it. I'll have a look around, and I'll tell you if/when I find it. No need for you to find it but if you happen to, if you post it here then I'll stop looking ;)

Tduk (talk) 04:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Byron Harmon

Thanks, and thank you too for your work on the page. Icemuon (talk) 10:47, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Some words of advice

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!votes

Hi again - do you know offhand of any AfDs where the closer actually honored the claim that the keeps/deletes are not votes, and closed the AfD in a way that was not in line with a strict vote count? :) Tduk (talk) 06:12, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

FYI

Wikipedia:Viewing of deleted articles by non-administrators Tduk (talk) 07:33, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Wow, thanks. 38-45. Amazing. Its interesting, often, to learn how the "rules" around here were adopted. I saw some claim once that even WP:NOTABILITY was adopted based on the view of very few, its probably true as well.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 12:35, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
  • I have often felt that the "majority" of "wikipedia users" who decide its policies are really just the majority of wikipedia users who have the time and resources to actually pay attention to wikipedia policies. If somehow, you were to ask all actual users - that includes readers - I think you'd get wildly different results. BTW, did you miss the question I posted immediately above this? Tduk (talk) 15:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I found that speedy

[[5]] [[6]] [[7]] Tduk (talk) 16:01, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hilary Rosen

Your closure of the deletion discussion for that page was completely inappropriate. You had expressed an interest in the discussion by Snow keep !voting, which showed that you were not impartial and Wikipedia:Non-admin closure states that you may close a discussion as Speedy keep; however, snow keep is specifically excluded from the speedy keep criteria. Ryan Vesey Review me! 18:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

• Because of things like editors retiring, somebody needs to do some actual work around here. The outcome was blindingly obvious and we look like idiots when we allow AfD notices to sit on pages when they are extremely popular. If an admin wishes to open and re-snow-close to endorse my obvious action, I have no problem with it.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:31, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I understand your point there, and I agree that it should have been kept, but I disagree to the extent that you say it is a bad thing for the AfD notice to sit on the page. I have been on a long hiatus from editing, and I might start editing at some level now and it would be a result of that notice (I did !vote on that as an IP). I am sure that there are many more new editors who begin editing because of taking part in an initial AfD. I also don't tend to like snow closes for AFD's; however, I would say that it applied to the revised version of the page. Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

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Jitendra Joshi

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Dixie Ferrington

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Leslie Daigle AfD

As you can tell, I don't agree with how pbp is going about things there either. "Mimicking [his] drama" isn't exactly useful for cooling matters down though. LadyofShalott 04:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

• I know. Sorry. :-(--Milowent • ^hasspoken 04:21, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

• OK, thanks. LadyofShalott 04:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

• That's right Milowent, you big jerk. I'm going to NON-FRIEND you on Facebook, haha. Lady, as long as Pgp and LCW keep their calm, everything will be alright. You know what, I'll leave him a note. I do hope they still listen to me--they never got back to me on my Japanese joke. Drmies (talk) 04:29, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
• OK, I can't find you--unless you like a band called Joyce Manor. Drmies (talk) 04:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

That's me, yes. And I'm not sure I really like them, but for pop-punk, its not bad.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 04:47, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, I still don't know what pop-punk is. Lady, if it's OK with you, I'm going to send this person a friend request. There's a picture of a hot-dog stuffed pizza crust as well--are you sure you're not ChildofMidnight? And I'm the guy holding a dodo. Well, that's not really me. Drmies (talk) 04:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

My sordid past is much worse that CoM's but you'll scroll down soon enough to learn that.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 05:09, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hi - I see you refused my request for speedy deletion of this article. OK, I recognise that was pushing it a bit, but I just don't think 'one of only 32 actors or actresses to have starred in both the original Star Trek and then in one of the spin offs' amounts to much of a claim of notability. I've proposed the article for deletion; if the PROD is contested, I'll take it to AFD, because this guy is just not notable. Robofish (talk) 10:51, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Calories per Dollar

Really, you left this in an article? What were you thinking? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:16, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

• I was thinking he deserved it! Unless wholly rewritten the article was going bye-bye soon. I couldn't believe it was as it was when I found it, so I incrementally improved it.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:25, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for !voting

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June 2012

Please stop. Continuing to remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Lee Newton, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, may be considered disruptive editing. Further edits of this type may result in your account being blocked from editing. Otterathome (talk) 15:40, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

• This is an outrage.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 15:45, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
• Hey very nice poem about the cat helicopter there. Pretty funny. And I see someone didn't get the memo about templating regulars, tsk tsk. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:25, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! And don't mind Otter too much, he's been templating me for three years now.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 23:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh really, you should drop one of these on him:

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashton Kutcher on Twitter

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• Thanks, George, but I'm done there, I've said my piece. You really should be done too, look at how much time you've wasted in that AfD, its not the end of the world! Even this wasn't!--Milowent • ^hasspoken 15:54, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

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Small text==Ulva KY== Yup, it is Ulva, however, I am sure that there is a Ulvah, I bet, has to be, Kentucky has some rather cool place names.Coal town guy (talk) 17:15, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Error on my part for certain, I marked Ulva for speedy deletion and created the correct Ulvah KY page. Thanks for the catch......

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• You need to get a life, dude.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 01:39, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

to Tommy's tools

Most of you are well educated, with deep philosophies. Pete Townshend works for me.

Some elevate pinball to a religion, with a structured church. Been there, done that.

Some realize, sooner or later, that pinball is just a game, and is played by some seriously shady characters.

The numbers changed, I got bored. They will again, as will I.

Later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.36.25.10 (talk) 12:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Sweeet. Where's the laser show?[8]--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:04, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

You know the system better.

"automated filter" is there for a reason. Maybe later, looks like not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.36.25.10 (talk) 16:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Am I learning?

Maybe you should have addressed my issue (nah, never mind), or just blocked me, which was clearly called for. Instead, you came down to my level. Sweet. Later

Then I was trying to delete everything. That's what tripped the filter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.36.25.10 (talk) 16:10, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• I really don't know, I'm not an admin, so I can't block you, I can just vent randomly.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 16:21, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Sincere apology

I thought you were an admin. I am clearly weak on my homework. Admin abuse is my focus, I am really sorry for bothering you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.36.25.10 (talk) 16:56, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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• I am tired of your reign of error. Stop these baseless accusations or else I shall ask to have you wiki-banned for 10 years.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 17:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for your efforts on Maynard, Cooper & Gale, P.C.. I was pressed for time but my instinct was to come back and do what you so kindly did. I do a lot of new page patrol and this one struck me as one of the few that could be rescued; I'm glad to know a more experienced editor feels the same way. Cheers, Ubelowme _U ^Me 23:29, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the note. I get crabby sometimes with NPP, but I realize you guys do have to sift through a lot of crap.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 23:38, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Jim Treacher

As a contributor to this article, you may be interested to know I have nominated it for deletion. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Treacher. Robofish (talk) 01:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Feedback requested at the Village Pump

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Milo, you're famous!

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Orvillecopter#Orvillecopter_.26_Wikipedia

Your Orvillecopter Cat poetry at ED. Tarc (talk) 05:10, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• Haha, thanks for the heads-up. I am honoured.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 12:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

The Gunmaker of Moscow

I added a cover illustration for this article. The source is undated, but it looks like it could be the first edition. In any event, I labeled it as coming from an early edition. INeverCry 21:37, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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	Thanks for finding those sources in good humour on the corgis. Made a good start on the main article. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Disruption on Ana Kasparian

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• You are the most uncivil editor on wikipedia, i am sure you know a lot about being disruptive.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 23:32, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

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Discussion at my user talk page

I'd be interested in your perspective regarding this topic.

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WP:Civil

It is best you not call others ignorant in discussions. It is not very civil --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 19:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Why? I am ignorant about many things, and will admit it when I am. You are ignorant about the notability of pizza cheese, as is most of the world's population, I am sure.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:11, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

And hey, my comment was about the "general ignorance of wikipedia editors regarding pizza cheese". The same could be said about the plunge for distance and I'm sure you wouldn't be offended.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:15, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Just keep your beliefs and opinions about others to your self and comment on the discussions not the people in the discussion. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 19:21, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

What did I say about you personally? Are you claiming to be omniscient?--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:22, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

And there you go deleting my warning to you [9]. This is an outrage.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:29, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Editors are perfectly allowed to delete content from their talk page, you can freely delete this if you so desire.Further, as a courtesy we don't template the regulars - hence me not hitting your page with a civility template. Just comment on the discussion without calling others ignorant or wrong. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 19:40, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I would never delete your tender missives to me. Calling someone wrong because they are objectively wrong is perfectly appropriate. You said pizza cheese doesn't exist and is simply a marketing term. That statement was as wrong as the day is long. Will this transgression prevent you from ever becoming an admin? I think not.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:43, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

"Cheese jihadists"

Really? REALLY? That smacks of personal attack pbp 20:07, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I found it to be rather amusing. Lighten up, Francis. Tarc (talk) 20:26, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

If either of you found that amusing, this userbox is for you! pbp 22:33, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

• Lol. Very nice. We need to use start using cheese-related language in random future disputes.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 22:52, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

• It's weird...I was IRCing a guy named cheeseduck, and I thought it was some reference to Pizza cheese + WP:DUCK pbp 22:59, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

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Because cheese does matter!

Proof --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 16:43, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Can you swing it?

How do we get Louis his own article? --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 02:55, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

And more!--Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 02:58, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

You are wise to distract me, Ponyo. I shall take the challenge!--Milowent • ^hasspoken 03:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

_{...Claps hands excitedly} Aren't I the clever one?! --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 03:13, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Sleep Rape Article

I nominated this as a CSD under duplication, and personally I think it fits hoax/vandalism too. However, an admin came along and took it off. I was wondering if you think it would be a good idea to either PROD it or AfD it. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. From your edit summary you seemed kind of "iffy" about having this article, so I decided to ask your full opinion.

Thanks again! gwickwire | Leave a message 03:30, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

• I think a PROD is definitely worth it. AfD may be as well, though we might be able to resolve by a redirect or something else first. So if a PROD gets declined, I would do a little more digging first. But yeah, a quick search told me the concept is iffy. I wouldn't care if "sleep rape" was non-existent as long as articles debated it existence; i.e., something to show its a notable concept.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 03:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
  • See, I completely agree with you on all of that. My view is that it's included in the rape article, so why have a seperate, unsourced, 3 sentence or so article over a topic. I'm going to go Twinkle up a little PROD now (see what I did there?) and we can see how that turns out. I fear that it will get removed by one of the other involved parties before too long. If a PROD doesn't work, I guess we can try direct resolution, however I have already posted on some of the involved parties talk pages and not gotten responses that satisfy me.. Let's see how the PROD goes. (on another note, I like your two level signature) gwickwire | Leave a message 03:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Bali Ultimate

Please do not restore that edit on Bali Ultimate's talk page again. Whatever message you are trying to convey has been as received as it is going to get, and restoring it again would be simply disruptive. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 13:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Ok, but only because you are too reasonable in your request! Bali gives me amusement, but I can just watch and get that.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:16, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. A cat may look at a king, as they do say. Elen of the Roads (talk) 14:52, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Seriously??

No, really -- seriously??? What were you thinking? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:54, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

• No, not seriously. I offered it as an invitation for the students to think critically about the issue, which is what university is all about, right? Notability does not get created in a vaccuum, however.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:00, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I hope the students were able to sense the humor in your suggestion. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:08, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Pizza cheese merge discussion

There is a merge discussion in which you may wish to participate.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 21:39, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

your name was mentioned at ANI

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• Thanks for the notification. The inevitable result will be an "everybody calm down" thing.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:00, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

About Ulrich Franzen

Well, yes indeed. --Shirt58 (talk) 12:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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Removal of tags

Please do not remove tags, as you did on MMOsite, until the issues have been resolved. Thank you pbp 22:52, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Please, don't leave uncivil bureaucratic bullshit on my page. If you want to discuss on the talk page of the article, by all means, that's the venue.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 23:46, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Wait...a simple "do not remove tags" is incivil but calling another editor a vigilante and a cheese jihadist isn't? How hypocritical! pbp 23:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

October 2012

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on MMOsite. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Please do not use edit summaries to attack other editors, and don't call other editors vigilantes ANYWHERE pbp 23:54, 23 October 2012 (UTC) pbp 23:54, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• SWEET JESUS - STOP IT OR YOU WILL BE BANNED.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 00:10, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I doubt it. I'm not the one going around removing tags without a valid explanation, or calling other editors "cheese jihadists" or "vigilantes" pbp 00:13, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

PBP, there are some things about you I find amusing, but I really wonder whether you get enough social interaction in real world. You're clearly an intelligent guy, why not use your powers for good?--Milowent • ^hasspoken 00:18, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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Centre Square Mall

Haha... unless there is a new mall in Barrow, AK, then we're all wrong :-) Ni1e0esd (talk) 00:53, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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Albert Whitman & Company

Hello, why don't you create Albert Whitman & Company ? Sorry for asking, but this is a very old company. Yours, -- Spiessens 18:59, 31 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiessens (talk • contribs)

I'll add it to my list. I looked a bit when I created Laird & Lee but online sourcing is thin. There's a few books I could seek out on interlibrary loan that could probably help when i get ambitious. Thanks for dropping by.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 16:32, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Sweet Lips, TN

I see that Sweet Lips has been welcomed into the community of the living and almost forgotten. Its just a perfect case in point of places that can have a very nice history, be culturally grounded and yet, have an off beat name. This is a real shot in the arm for all of the other small communities out there. Imagine what we can find.Coal town guy (talk) 16:15, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

• Safe to say there's more to do than we could do in a lifetime, but its fun to tackle some of it!--Milowent • ^hasspoken 16:30, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Jane Speed (unseen edits?)

Greetings. If this is old news 2U, then my bad (never exactly sure who's alerted to what actions on WP). First of all, I appreciate the time taken at the Jane Speed article, and the thoughtful comments, not least the concern expressed for wasted time of newbies (e.g. me, tho I more regret wasting your time with a glorified stub; I certainly can't fault U4 calling it an 'article'). However, long story short, I posted a pretty massive re-edit a couple of days ago which, it seems, was seen by one person only - alas, the ubiquitous Author-Author, who, typically, rather than comment on any of the new material (heavily documented and, whether sufficient or not, clearly relevant to notability), chose to critique a completely irrelevant transitional sentence already present in the original. And now the article is deleted. Fortunately (due to my increasingly sputtering Mac), during each edit, I save my work to email numerous times, so it was easy enough to recreate my latest draft on my talk page, which is exactly what I've done. It's parked there right now, and I'd deeply appreciate u giving it a look; I'd certainly value your feedback. DavidESpeed (talk) 23:32, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

• David, the best way to show notability for my review would be to list for me the top 5 (and ONLY 5) references for the subject. At least two of these should be profiles in major newspapers. A full-length non-paid NYTimes or similar obituary would go a long way. I just didn't see that kind of coverage when I looked previously, which didn't surprise me based on the content.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 02:42, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
• With all due respect, DavidESpeed, the article was not deleted because of the comment I posted. If you read the reasons next to each editor's AfD comments, you will see why. Also, the deletion was not the decision of one. It was a consensus. Thank you. AuthorAuthor (talk) 04:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

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ANI

Please see this section of ANI. Toddst1 (talk) 04:25, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

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• Thanks, I appreciate that. I just had wanted to make clear I hadn't intended to do anything "wrong".--Milowent • ^hasspoken 23:18, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

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Florence Foster Jenkins

Hi, Milowent. I see you edited this article today, and I wonder if you could take a closer look at the recent history if you get a chance. I ended up mass-reverting everything that Rosscoolguy had done yesterday after discovering that none of it was constructive. Now he has reverted my revert and you've made a subsequent partial change that doesn't address the fact that the article now says almost everything twice. Rivertorch (talk) 18:54, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Captain Underpants AFD

Because you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Captain Underpants and the Preposterous Plight of the Purple Potty People you might want to participate in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Adventures of Captain Underpants. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:09, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

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Two points

1. It may interest you to know I have one FL under my belt, and another on the way
2. Wouldn't you know it, but somebody just AfDed Chili burger. Yes, I voted keep...it may interest you to know that part of the reason I'm a deletionist is because several of my articles have themselves been AfDed, a couple even successfully (and more than that on Wiktionary; where I'm an inclusionist)

Now, I'm off to assassinate some cheese pbp 00:14, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Go get 'em. I made an initial stab at it. I do think chili burger is a notable subject. Its culturally a separate thing, which is why we have a category for Hamburgers with different cultural significant variations of hamburgers.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 04:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I haven't had lunch yet. Grrr. Drmies (talk) 21:29, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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A bowl of strawberries for you!

Just chill eh! Lubnarizvi (talk) 15:44, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Anthony Holland (composer)

Great reference to Anthony Holland![10] You inspired me to add the reference [11] to his page. Writing citations for radio programs is a pain, though.... Thanks again for your intelligent comment! - ʈucoxn\^talk 22:01, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

• Glad you liked that, its a fascinating story.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 15:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Overdue

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Because, quite frankly, Wikipedia would be both emptier (251 articles at last count?) and duller without your contributions, humour, and wit. I always enjoy reading the pearls you've thrown to us swine, grumpy bits and all! Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 00:57, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

If I might, I'd like to suggest that that well-deserved barnstar come with a pizza cheese chili burger..... --j⚛e decker^talk 15:39, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

• Haha, thanks to you both. Ponyo makes sure to pat me on the back when sensing my steam rising, and always wisely.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 15:45, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit conflict?

You edit on my talk page[12] seems to have left a fragment of response that's clearly missing a part (look at the next section). Dunno if you were aware. — Coren ^(talk) 14:15, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

LOL, I didn't intend to leave that there, that was my immediate reaction, I'll go delete it. Thanks.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:25, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I think I can understand that... immediate reaction. Dream Focus would be considerably more effective at his objectives if he picked his battles with a bit more discernment. — Coren ^(talk) 14:38, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I think ultimately he's right, but over time I've realized I personally can be more effective if I'm not as combative (except when I get silly on purpose). I didn't care to delve into some scottish-jethro tull hybrid or whatever they are, and didn't really touch that AfD, but sources like [13], and [14] (one of a number of articles generated when a band member got stabbed, which might hint at notability due to coverage), make me think there's a good reason we default to no consensus in such discussions. The admin shouldn't be put in a position of having to delete when the discussion may be insufficient to really know. We have lots of crappy articles on notable subjects.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:43, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Sure we do and efforts are best redirected there. Had that article been listed for a week I would have just relisted it in the hopes that it attracts enough attention to salvage it, but that already occured three times. — Coren ^(talk) 15:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Merge Chili burger to Chili con carne

I am letting you know that I have proposed a merge of Chili burger to Chili con carne. Being that you participated in the AfD, I'd be interested in your thoughts. The discussion is at Talk:Chili con carne#Merger proposal. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 15:14, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

It was suggested that Hamburger might be a better _target, and I was implored to allow that as a possibility. Therefore, I've moved the discussion to Talk:Chili burger#Merger proposal to allow for this. Please accept my apologies if it seemed that I was advocating for one solution over another. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 16:21, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

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The Chili Reception

Oh well. I tried to lighten things up. I do hope they make peace. It's only a chili burger article after all. Oh, and your efforts to settle things down have not gone unnoticed. Cheers to you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:35, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks, I saw you wading in too, it was getting comical between those two.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 04:45, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

You may be interested ...

... in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies)#Since when are schools exempt from notability when everything is saying they aren't?. TerriersFan (talk) 14:45, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

• I'm at least sudo-interested! thanks, I needed to chime in.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 17:39, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Siddhartha, Siddhartha

Hi Milowent. I saw today that the references I had supplied at Articles for deletion/Sri Siddhartha Medical College actually refer to the other one. Doh! I've added them there, so they won't go to waste. Maybe someday, someone will turn those two sow's ears into silk purses, but it won't be me. The IEP cleanup, was quite enough. :-) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:10, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

December 2012

Hello, I'm Interlude65. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandy Hook Elementary School that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Interlude 65 (Push to talk) 02:51, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

• You editing my comment was extremely uncivil on your part, an unusually overactive censorshippy act on your part. I will accept an apology, however.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 02:58, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

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DGU

Im very confused by your comments on the DGU AFD. My gut is telling me you are attempting a reducto ad absurdum or wp:POINT argument in your very vigorous claims regarding the moral justification of killing of slaves. I realize the technical situation those incidents are in, and have actually come to the view that they can serve as an interesting contrast and historical perspective over what a justifiable homicide was at different time periods - but I feel like you arent not making a historical relativism argument (or if you are, you are not being clear in it). I want to be clear here that iam not accusing you of anything, nor trying to insult you, but you are coming across pretty racist - and giving you the benefit of the doubt that you don't feel that way - you might want to reword some of your statements. Gaijin42 (talk) 23:09, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

• I am not racist, I think you do properly realize that. Not sure exactly how my comments are being perceived, so I appreciate your note. Defensive gun use can occur in many many instances that we would view today as morally reprehensible. Guns are inherently a weapon that can be used to force another's will, for good or evil. Its not always some white grandma shooting the bad black drug-crazed rapist criminal, to cite a pernicious racist stereotype. It can just as often be the husband shooting dead his wife who finally snapped after years of being mentally and physically abused.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 23:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

In particular your last comment on the AFD seemed open to misinterpretation. I understand the change over time, and its a valid point - just be clear in making that point during your argument. Although your latter example is typically described in the reverse way, I believe "Battered wife syndrome" is a valid defense (or at least a greatly mitigating circumstance) in many jurisdictions. I feel still feel like you are trying to make the wp:point that legally justified has nothing to do with morally justified and intentionally choosing morally reprehensible ones in that vein (including your Nazi hypothetical you made elsewhere) in an effort to make your POV that all such incidents are morally reprehensible. Again, if I am mis-interpreting you, then I apologize, but I think not. I certainly don't mind also representing that point of view on the wiki - but why does it have to be in this article ? Gaijin42 (talk) 01:19, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

But why shouldn't it be in the article? Why can't I fill the articles with 100s of references to slave killings, wife killings, nazi killings, etc.? That's what interests me. They have to be limited to defensive gun use, of course, but that's it. There's no reason the list should be limited to cases where the gun use is considered morally righteous in today's terms. I thought about whether spring-gun cases should be included too. These are guns that are automatically set up to shoot possible intruders into an empty house or other area to defend against theft; not used much today, but they were in much more in the 1700s and 1800s.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:45, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Steven Crowder

The entry said that "some inferred that he was making a racial epithet". That covers your inference. In fact, if you watch the video, he points to his pants when saying it, and then goes out of his way to say that he did NOT say the word. It's clearly a parody of the rap song structure and language, so there is the possibility that this commonly used word in rap songs was being PARODIED here, and its appalling overuse, but he clearly did not mean it in the context of the lyrics as a racial epithet. So, one may "infer" what one wants, but that doesn't mean we can read Crowder's mind. I believe both sides are fairly represented. JohnKAndersen (talk)JohnKAnderson U.E. •

• He wasn't making a racial epithet- he was making an allusion to the term nigger. It was a comedic reference, of course. In the video, he explains to a black guy at the mixing board that its ok.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 12:00, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

• The entry started out accusing Crowder as making a racial epithet and actually including the word. I changed it to the neutral "some inferred" it as that word due to the similarity of the words. I think very few inferred that, but gave those that might have the benefit of the doubt, since the whole thing is an OBVIOUS parody of a well-worn cadence of rap music. It's social satire, protected by the constitution, even if he HAD used a racial slur. The video goes to great extent that he was NOT using the word, as you said, even verifying with the mixer that he was saying "KNICKERS, we can say that right?" (since so many words have been deemed "verboten" by self-appointed languange police) as part of social satire of the ridiculous over-sensitive political correctness SOME in society whom are expected to adhere. But NOTHING in the context or lyrics implies that he was actually referring to any racial epithet.

I did not restore his wife's name because "there aren't sufficient RELIABLE sources"; there are dozens. I did it because Crowder has said his wife has been the recipient of death threats from the people who merely disagree with him politically, and STILL don't understand that no words EVER justify physical violence. So out of protection of his wife from violent union threat or harm, it's sad that we can not complete his personal biography. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnKAndersen (talk • contribs) 00:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

• Post one reliable source that has posted his wife's real name. I found none, and in fact Crowder has omitted it when he had a chance to mention it in his op ed pieces. Also, the death threats are absolute bullshit. Completing "a personal biography" does not require his wife's name. Crowder is a D list celebrity, but he's still notable.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:20, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

If you look any person's "personal life" section, it normally includes their spouse, children, etc. That's what a personal life is. Simply Googling his marriage will bring up pictures and names, but since Crowder claims to have gotten death threats I have elected to stop adding her name out of respect for his perceived safety concerns. Your dislike of Crowder colours your writing, and your insistence on using profanity in editing, comments and personal responses is indicative of your negative point of view and possibly educational level; most people are more articulate in their criticisms by presenting facts rather than profanity. If it continues I will explore what avenues there are to limit the vulgarity. If you do not believe someone's editing to be accurate, provide PROOF (not opinion; yours or pundit's) with citations before accusing someone of a hate crime.

I'm not sure why this is so difficult to understand, but just because YOU believe someone thinks something, that does not make it fact. It's a reasonable OPINION, but just that. So rather than attributing something that you are INFERRING as fact (you're not psychic) it's incumbent upon an editor to refer to it, but as something that can be INFERRED if you feel it was implied. If you consider him to be a "D List Celebrity", then I'm surprised you feel so adamant in attributing negative and racially inflammatory comments to him. There is so much real hatred in the world, let's not have invented outrage where there is none.

Good day. JohnKAndersen (talk) 05:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)JohnKAnderson U.E.

(talk page stalker) As a point of order, we generally do not include the names of family members unless they are independently notable or the inclusion of the name is particularly relevant. In either case it must be supported by reliable sources and, if removed as contentious, normal BLP policy applies that consensus must be reached to restore the name. This is covered by WP:BLPNAME. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 17:55, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

• Ponyo, thanks for chiming in here. John is getting irritated with me over the bio, a cool head on the talk page there could be useful if he decides to engage there. I've started a section trying to verify one of the biographical claims made; comedians often like to inflate this kind of stuff.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Hello Milowent: Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable holiday season! Northamerica1000^(talk) 12:34, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Crowder

Thanks for your contributions in keeping that page cleaned up. I worked on the previous page, prior to deletion, and didn't have nearly the problems you've had. Kudos on the good work. 5minutes (talk) 01:23, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Wishing you a very merry Christmas and a prosperous new year! FeydHuxtable (talk) 10:51, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy holidays and new year to you!

I hope you have a great holiday season, with all the chili burgers we could ever hope for.... --j⚛e decker^talk 18:26, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

From me as well! In my Christmas bag of goodies I have found some lovely pizza cheese, some brass knuckles for "Little David", and a cork for Shit Pot Crater.--Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 01:08, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

merry christmas / happy holidays to all

to all posting nice messages above, and all those i've interacted with this year on wikipedia. i'm better off for having met you all.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 02:15, 25 December 2012 (UTC)