Sicilianmandolin

Why are you deleting my paragraph?

for Italian People and Italian History...I got it from "Italy a short history" by the respected Harry Hearder. It fits with the topic and deserves to be on here, so what is the problem? How do I go about putting up a reference for the book on this site? It was first published in 1990 and is published by Cambridge University Press. I think it is a good paragraph, at least let me know what it is about that passage you disagree with??

It's not that I don't agree with it, it's that it's inherantly point of view. If you'd like to provide a citation, feel free. Although, if I hadn't removed it, someone else surely would have. Sicilianmandolin 09:09, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Sicily

I would like to announce the start of the WikiProject Sicily, to fill in the many gaps that currently exist on the political structures, geography, culture and history of Sicily and related biographies of Sicilians. Please come to the above project page to register your interest. There is still a fair bit to translate from Italian and Sicilian (to date I have been copying some lists that provide us with a wealth of potential articles that merely need to be anglicised). For starters, most of the Sicilian municipalities (comuni or cumuna) need to be done. Otherwise I would appreciate any input from anyone who knows anything about setting up project pages. Thanking you in anticipation. Grazzî assai e salutamu! ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 07:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Flora nomination change?

I have tagged Flora (plants) as a stub, as a first step to change it to a WP:COTW nomination. I personally believe there should be a complete re-write of the article. Do you all agree to make the change? --Francisco Valverde 08:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Please vote

Since there is a dispute, please vote on it in the AID talkpage. --Steven 22:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Rome

Hey Covington, any idea why there's been such little improvement made to the Rome article? I've seen little done other than what I've done myself and a few minor grammatical corrections by someone else. Are we the only two working on it? Sicilianmandolin 17:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Sicilianmandolin,

I sure hope not. I've asked everyone who voted for it to try to help. (Many people with the templates are on wikibreaks for exams and such.) Unfortunately, my expertise is in Ancient Rome, not modern Rome. Let me see what else I can do about getting this out to more people. Thanks for letting me know. (^'-')^ Covington 23:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Giorgio Orsini

Hi,

We have a problem with editing the article about famous 15th century Italian architect - Giorgio Orsini. If you are knowledgeable about this man or if you know people who know about him - please, be involved or ask other people to be involved in the discussion and editing of the article about him--GiorgioOrsini 16:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Mozart a German or not?

Since you were the one that removed Germany's claim on Mozart: If you think I am wrong in my opinion that Mozart was both German and Austrian, feel free to discuss the issue here or at the Mozart entry. Blur4760 23:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe a footnote would be a good idea (although people could just click on the link and read the article about Mozart). Since a footnote by me would most likely sound like there is no doubt about Mozart being German, it would be best if someone else did it. Blur4760 11:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Virginia Tech massacre

Thank you for noticing and reverting what seemed to be vandalism, or at the very least what appeared to be a personal statement which seemed racist. Good catch. That article gets so many edits so quickly it's hard to keep up, and someone can easily insert information similar to what you helped revert, and go un-noticed. It's people like you who make Wikipedia so much better. Thank you so much. (I don't know how to give a star or anything, plus you may not like extra "stuff" on your page:-)) Jeeny 21:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the advices on the Italian People photo

Thank you for your help and advice! It does look better now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Famoita1.JPG Thank you! M.V.E.i.

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Yay

Thank you. I didn't realize I was diligent about it... certainly not to the extent you have been. You deserve it much more than I do! Mariokempes 16:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Deleted category

Can you please explain why you have twice re-added a "red category" which has been deleted and no longer exists? --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 03:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Does there exist a Wikipedia policy against the use of non-existent links within a user's own page? Sicilianmandolin 05:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:Wikipedians who support the LGBT community

Hi! How are you?. Well, I detest when others users delete necessary and inoffensive categories like this, so I support you with this. Keep on reverting!. --Vokoder 04:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Why??

Why is everyone so insistent on leaving messages up on here? Me and that user have come to an agreement and I see no reason as to why we should NOT move forward and leave up a time of bad blood and hostility...so why is everyone so insistent that hostile words that have been put behind us need to stay as a reminder of the past? Why is everyone dwelling on the past on here...shouldn't we move forward, you know progress? Just curious, thank you(Scipio3000 16:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC))

Glad to hear that you two have reached an agreement. But, those were his words, not yours, therefore it is his right to revert them, not yours. Sicilianmandolin 23:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, whatever, I think everyone is a little childish, overboard and insane over this...but, anyways please read below as the user, thesicilianist and I our in agreement and want to make some minor readjustment and I want to know what you think....

Sicilian readjustment

Below is my proposal for a minor redesign of the "Sicily" page....I have no problems with the format of the, "History of Sicily" page though. For this main page though, I want to provide interested parties in our culture with a informational introduction and leave them with a good foundation of the basics of Sicily. If they find interest in the History then there is a link for that or maybe they are interested in cuisine, tourism, etc...

I don't feel we are serving any purpose with that incredibly long page which has 28 sections. And in there we still neglect to mention, Vandals, Lombards, The Hohenstaufens, Angevins, Bourbons and that is just on history...I would like to summarize these like every other section has and if this interest someone then there are easy to follow links. But as it is now there is too much clutter and it is too unorganized for a general page, which is meant only as an introduction and a guidemap or table of contents for more detailed information through the links provided....

My proposal:

1)Natives

2)Ancient Sicily

3)Germanic Invasions and Byzantine control

4)Arab Sicily or Muslim Sicily---you decide

5)Norman/Hohenstaufen

6)Angevin/Aragon

7)Spanish/Bourbon

8)Italian Unification

Look how I tightened this up without going into too much detail and then we provide short summaries of each period. I hope you see the Logic of this, because this is not the History page it is the General Sicily page and needs to be kept general and to the point. Let me know your thoughts. Also I added a Cuisine section with food, wine and olive oil and a sports section, I value your input, thank you.(Scipio3000 00:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC))

Well, I've been very pleased with your modification thus far, so I personally see no reason why not. My only concern is citing sources, be they from scholarly sources or sources readily available from the internet, they need to be there, especially on things concerning racial make-up and genetics. Sicilianmandolin 01:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

On the sections I primarily worked on Byzantines I cited, I don't know who did the racial make-up...but I'm not sure I even like that there?(Scipio3000 03:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC))

On second thought, I would like see the Cuisine section condensed to a couple paragraphs or so; more or less, the size of the Sport section. As stated above, this is an overview, and the fact that the Cuisine section is itself larger than its respective article should say something. Sicilianmandolin 01:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Aahh c'mon, We Sicilians love food, it is our passion, just think about it...food is what defines us! Also I have completed it , please let me know what you think now...I agree we need more citations that is why I have that on top...but it is still work-in-progress, thanks again!(Scipio3000 03:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC))

Besides look how ridiculously long the mafia section is...when at least need something to distance from that and I can't think of anything better or more Sicilian than FOOD & WINE!!(Scipio3000 03:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC))

I like how you reformatted the "list of famous Sicilians"...how did you move it to the right? Can you to do that for the "Geography section"? I think The Region names would look better on the right. Try it and see, thanks.(Scipio3000 05:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC))

Sicilian Cuisine

I deleted Scipio3000's version of this section from Sicily because it was a copyright violation cut-n-pasted from another site. Still, I think it would be valuable to have such a section highlighting Sicily's tasty contributions to the world. If I understand correctly, you are Sicilian so you likely have more to contribute than most editors. Would you be interested? Edward321 00:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm Sicilian-American. Don't know much about the cuisine, nor am I particularly interested in cuisine-related topics. I'm more of a history buff. Sicilianmandolin 06:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Thanks

I thought I had reverted the addition of "Ice cream" to the Naples page. Instead, I had reverted the revert. Thanks for reverting back! :P Sicilianmandolin 20:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Key to the city 21:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Why you corrected my before-correction?

On the page italian american you corrected my statement about northern italians (in USA) and their feel and agreement with standard italian (that seems to me to be not more developed than the southern italian's one, since the percentage of dialects' speakers is very high also between northern italians, most of all not able to recognize speak and understand italian: the majority, i.e., between friulans).

Why? have you any data or statistics? My both experience and informations reveals that may be the opposite!

My IP was: 87.11.211.173

(please answer here, since i still not have an account on English Wikipedia)! --79.22.229.25 16:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Response

I have responsed here so... feel free to propose ideas there :-) Thank you. M.V.E.i. 18:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Voting

Ok so that evolved into a vote. Feel free to vote here. Because not much people take part in the discusion every voice is importent. M.V.E.i. 21:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Whats "overhauled"? I dont know that word. M.V.E.i. 21:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

From dictionary.com: "to gain upon, catch up with, or overtake, as in a race." In the context of the vote, it would refer to the mistaken addition of a vote to Fallaci's vote count, although the word "overhaul" used as it was would normally imply it having been intentional. Sicilianmandolin 21:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I understood, thank you. I responsed to what you wrote on the Italian people talk page. M.V.E.i. 21:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Your ideas are great!

Due to the fact it was your idea to start a vote and your ideas were the once approved, i mentioned you in the "Author" on the new image page :-) good work! M.V.E.i. 20:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I so agree with what you wrote on your user page that SNES was the last great console! I'm only 18, and yet i dont get all those Play Stations and modern consoles, they are just not fun. But when i was a kid i loved playing Dendy, and it was amaizing! M.V.E.i. 22:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

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I strongly disagree with that move of replacing Fallaci, but anyway, since you've all decided, there's nothing i can do. Nevertheless, i already created a license-discription page for the new version you uploaded. You can see it here. M.V.E.i. 22:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

So now feel free to revert to your version, and no administrater will make you troubles with the license. M.V.E.i. 22:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Regarding userpage design

Feel free to take it! I borrowed it from another user anyway. ;) - Soprani 08:28, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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Soprani

With the Soprani account:

• Leaving false warnings on my talk page
• Describing good faith edits as vandalism and again

(It's worth noting here that the version Soprani is reverting to is the same as Daddy Kindsoul's). After that, with some of the early socks:

• Incivility and personal attacks
• Attempting to remove the sockpuppet evidence

While I'm not entirely going to agree with Yamla's mass revert, the facts remain that Daddy Kindsoul is under an arbcom editing ban, and Soprani blatantly is Daddy Kindsoul (reference multiple arbcom rulings that accounts who act in a manner which is obviously that of a banned user can be treated as being that user). Therefore the block is entirely justified in my opinion. Cheers --Pak21 10:15, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		Barnstar of National Merit Italy
		I hereby award you this Barnstar for your tireless contributions to articles relating to the Italian people. Mariokempes (talk) 19:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Mariokempes (talk) 22:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

you're fit for the job

Somebody has been altering the already poorly formatted Italians and Italian diaspora pages. I don't understand the preoccupation with Italia irredenta, but that seems to be the primary motivation. Interested in contributing to a much-needed overhaul? Mariokempes (talk) 02:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello Ace. I'm back for one little bit of unfinished business ([1]), but I'm not sure if I will "un-retire" (is that correct english?). At the very least I will take a long Wikibreak. Ciao and keep up the good work! Mariokempes (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I think that's a bit over my head. Care to get me up to date as to exactly what's going on? Perhaps I can be of better assistance that way. Sicilianmandolin (talk) 21:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The fact that I'm still here, in spite of the fact that I'm "retired", is a psychology case in itself. I guess I'm either eternally optimistic or hopelessly stupid. [Truth is I was stuck in a snowstorm so I had some time on my hands!] Either way, if you care to review the discussion at Template talk:Italian diaspora you will see my attempt to temper ultra "Italian" nationalist sentiments. This POV pushing is found in all articles listed under the template's "Historical Greater Italia" and, even though all of these articles have some historical merit, they are being used as a vehicle to promote revisionist perspectives within the context of the Italian people. This has created a polemical situation in the Istrian and Dalmatian articles (where Croatian ultra nationalists form the other extreme). Along the way I've come to learn that all but Crystalclearchanges are extremely persistant sockpuppets (hence my most recent "final" edit posted above) of, at most, two people- the worst being one User:Brunodam, an Italian-American passing himself off as a university professor. The other is a disgruntled conational. [Coincidently, CCC is also a different user's sockpuppet trying to evade a permanent ban.] So... care to dip into this "hot" bath? It's easier to just ignore it and retire. saluti, Mariokempes (talk) 00:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

My userpage

Thanks. Nice to know I can entertain others. Montco (talk) 17:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Appearance

Looks OK to me, except I don't think climate is a major factor so much as historic population movements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dionix (talk • contribs) 20:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

So it looks like the appearance thing is going to stand. I guess since I'm 100% of Southern Italian descent people will now stop thinking I'm German :) Dionix (talk) 23:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

So, any thoughts on the current re-write? It doesn't solve all issues, so your input would be valuable. Dionix (talk) 16:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Voting

Hi! Here is a voting about Bendery/Bender/Tighina: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bender%2C_Moldova#Statement_of_Title_Solution --80.142.252.220 (talk) 19:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Kapsberger

Thanks to you for creating the article in the first place! :) Moreover, it was actually your "Kapsberger's music did not favor well in the eyes of critics of his time" edit that made me want to work on the article; I love Kapsberger's music and felt that this bit needed some clarification.. then I realized it needs a better biography, a work list, an image, etc., you know how it happens :) --Jashiin (talk) 17:14, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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Why?

Hello Sicilianmandolin. I do not understand why you removed some info in the Italian intro. Firstly, Italy does have the world's 2nd best heatcare system (and even though the ref is old, the statistics remain the same every 10 years), and a high innovation programme. Everyone seems to be attacking the Italy-related articles, which I believe are poorly-written and lack in info. I do not have a pro-Italy POV, I am just trying to balance the articles with other nations. If you go on other major countries, the intro will be even longer, so I insist that you put back the verifiable info in the intro. If you just removed it because you though it was too 'specific', then replace it as it is not a valid enough excuse. Only if the intro were 7 paragraphs, then I would agree, but it was equally as long as to other countries' intros.

Reply

--Theologiae (talk) 10:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

It's not about length, it's about content. I will absolutely not retain the health systems ranking because 1) the reference is 10 years old and health care systems and their dependencies are frequently changing, 2) I see absolutely nothing concerning past studies, despite your claim, and 3) searching the list produces numerous results regarding controversy over it. This does not make for a good reference in the introduction of any country. So, unless you can provide enough substantiation for its inclusion, I will insist that it remains excluded.

Your sentiment that "Everyone seems to be attacking the Italy-related articles" is very alarming. A quick gander of the discussion page for Italy tells me that I am not the only person to take issue with that sounds like promotional verbiage and near propagandizing throughout this article, especially the introduction. I am a proud Italian-American, but I will always put quality before word count, and the introduction is not where overtly opinionated claims with second-rate references belong, if they belong anywhere. Take a look at some of the more developed country articles and you'll see that a more objective and factual perspective pervades. This is encyclopedic writing.

I completely agree that this article needs drastic improving, but adding the kind of content that I've deleted (and some that remains) is not the way to go about improving it. Sicilianmandolin (talk) 11:12, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Let's understand each other

Sicilianmandolin, the info in the first paragraph is not at all promotional. If you really want to still keep away the info that you deleted, I will accept that, even though I do not understand why, however I will not allow anyone to just delete info in the first paragraph as it is now. It is, as I said, not at all promotional. All first paragraphs of other nations are equally as 'promotional' (as you say) and captivating. Wikipedia, I agree, is not a tourist brochure, yet you always include the best achievements of the country in the intro. It is not opinion, and it is sourced. The claim that I wrote about Venice being one of the world's most beautiful cities is opinion, but I wrote 'many think ...', not 'it is...', so it is perfectly factual. I do not want you to think that I am just going around propagandizing the articles by including second-rate, poor and biased info. Yes the discussion page does say that the intro is promotional, but if you look carefully it has all been resolved, and the dispute is over, so the intro is no longer, according to other editors, a promotional, brochure-style piece of advertising verbiage. It used to be before, but that has all been resolved, so you cannot claim that the intro is like a 'propaganda' just because some editors wrote that two-three days ago when the intro was far more 'promotional' as you put it.

Also, what I mean by 'attacking' Italy-related articles is that many people seem to not want pages to change and there is constant edit-wars, reverting and deleting. Rather than deleting disputable info, I believe that it is better to improve it, rather than revertion. As I've only edited a few Italian articles, it could be only concerning those pages, but that's what I see in that.

Ok, let's just leave the intro as it is now. If you want sources for the info you deleted, I could go and find some. Also, if you look on the Italy talk page, you'll see that there is a discussion about adding more info on Italy's culture, art and literature. As you said the article needs drastic improvement, so your Italian knowledge could help our project immensly. I'm not Italian or an Italophile, but I know a lot about Italian culture, as I find it extremely interesting. I do not think that Italy is the best country in the world, it has it's defects, yet I think some Italy-related articles need drastic improving. Italy is one of the world's greatest countries (at an artistic point of view), yet these history/art Italian articles lack in info, are not exceptionally written and lag behind even smaller, less influential European nations. I tried to help the Culture of Italy article, as it was before underwritten, using poor grammar and dodgy info, so I've improved the quality. I also think there sholud be a 'Culture of Rome', 'Culture of Sicily' and 'Culture of Tuscany' page, as all these places so greatly contribute to the world, yet there is suprisingly no page about that. Possibly, due to your (I believe) Sicilian knowledge, you could help in creating some pages as such.

Also, I would like to be part of the Italy WikiProject. How do you do that?

Oh, and for the healthcare system, go on this: [3]

Reply

--Theologiae (talk) 11:50, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Was this a good move?

I thought the information you recently added to Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident, together with some other information, was better in its own section, higher up, since it spoke to the content of the documents, and that seems more important than overall reactions. So I moved it up. [4] But please look at it, and if you think I'm wrong about that, please fix it. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 22:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Ready to come back?

I think you need to get on Italian people and kick some butt. Hope you are well. Mariokempes (talk) 17:40, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I've given up on editing Wikipedia. The POV crap just never ends, and I'm tired of dealing with it. I may come back someday. Best wishes. Sicilianmandolin (talk) 01:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I understand completely. I "retired" for the very same reason, but I find myself coming back, from time to time, to snoop and, sometimes, I cannot resist to intervene... I don't mind the ignorant hordes (they simply get corrected), but the WP project cannot give in to these manipulative POV bastards! I hope you will reconsider. Mariokempes (talk) 00:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

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