WikiEN-l April 2013

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Secret Arrests
by Fred Bauder 05 May '13

05 May '13

There is extended discussion in England and Wales regarding whether journalists should identify suspects that have been arrested. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/apr/21/press-intrusion-name-suspects See also http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/hc1213/hc07/0780/0780_ii.pdf Fred

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Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] CC nears last call for comments on Creative Commons 4.0
by Samuel Klein 01 May '13

01 May '13

FYI: Final comments requested on the CC 4.0 licenses. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Luis Villa <lvilla(a)wikimedia.org> Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:19 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] CC nears last call for comments on Creative Commons 4.0 To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Hi, all- As mentioned in a variety of places (mostly, it looks like, on Commons Village Pump) Creative Commons is revising their licenses to produce a new 4.0 version. The changes include a variety of things relevant to Commons and other WM projects, most importantly attribution, but also improved translations, database rights, and general improvements in readability. CC is nearing their final version, and have asked me to ask our community for one last round of review and comment. Consider this that request! A few relevant links: * The best way to comment is through their mailing list: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-licenses * The actual drafts, including side-by-side comparisons to 3.0: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/4.0/Drafts#Licenses_.28all_six_are_presente… * Their complete wiki: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/4.0 This is *not* a call for comments on the adoption of CC 4.0 by WM projects. That discussion, if it happens, would be after 4.0 has been finalized, so that we're not speculating about the final terms. FYI- Luis -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 NOTICE: This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266

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Re: [WikiEN-l] bizarre: Women Novelists Wikipedia
by Fred Bauder 27 Apr '13

27 Apr '13

The thing is that if someone is in a subcategory they are then taken out of the category. So, if the subcategories are applied, nearly everyone should be removed from the higher category such as American novelist. Obviously this was not thought through well. If there is to be a female novelist category there must be a male novelist category. This will become more and more evident as time passes and situation equalizes. Obviously we need to quit arguing and change it. Either a man or a woman mystery writer would be in both a gender category and a genre category, if we are to have gender categories. Fred > That doesn't necessarily follow. Surely female American novelists should appear in both categories. > On 25 Apr 2013 23:14, "Sarah" <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net> wrote: >> >> > What subcategories would American men novelists go into? of course >> women >> > would also go into them. By centuries would be one set of >> subcategories; >> > and genre: mystery, western, adventure, fantasy, etc. >> > >> > Hard to see this as a deliberate slight. >> > >> > Fred >> > >> >> Fred, the point is that, if "American women novelists" is to be a subcategory, then "American male novelists" would have to be a subcat too. >> Otherwise the "American novelists" category would be default male, which is >> apparently what happened. >> >> Sarah >> _______________________________________________ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> >

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bizarre: Women Novelists Wikipedia
by Kathleen McCook 26 Apr '13

26 Apr '13

Wikipedia's overwhelmingly male user-editors began the bizarre forced gender migration on Tuesday The New York Times:: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/opinion/sunday/wikipedias-sexism-toward-f… > http://www.salon.com/2013/04/25/wikipedia_moves_women_to_american_women_nov…

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inclusivity of Wikipedia and the drawing of expert boundaries
by Kathleen McCook 22 Apr '13

22 Apr '13

I think of interest to this discussion list. ============= Luyt, B. (2012). The inclusivity of Wikipedia and the drawing of expert boundaries: An examination of talk pages and reference lists. *Journal Of The American Society For Information Science & Technology*, *63*(9), 1868-1878. *Wikipedia* is frequently viewed as an inclusive medium. But inclusivity within this online encyclopedia is not a simple matter of just allowing anyone to contribute. In its quest for legitimacy as an encyclopedia,* Wikipedia* relies on outsiders to judge claims championed by rival editors. In choosing these experts, Wikipedians define the boundaries of acceptable comment on any given subject. Inclusivity then becomes a matter of how the boundaries of expertise are drawn. In this article I examine the nature of these boundaries and the implications they have for inclusivity and credibility as revealed through the talk pages produced and sources used by a particular subset of *Wikipedia*'s creators-those involved in writing articles on the topic of Philippine history.

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Psychological correlates of deletionism/inclusionism?
by Gwern Branwen 19 Apr '13

19 Apr '13

Some recent musings reminded me that I never did find a good answer for an old question of mine: does anything predict whether an editor will lean towards deletionism? More specifically, it seems to me that attitudes towards articles take on almost emotional or moral dimensions, perhaps related to various psychological factors. Does anyone remember ever seeing any research touching on this? For example, perhaps someone surveyed editors, asking for self-identified preference and doing an inventory measuring personality factors like the OCEAN/Big Five? Of course I checked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletionism_and_inclusionism_in_Wikipedia and Google but nothing particularly germane appears to have popped up besides random speculation and analogies to Adorno's famous http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality -- gwern http://www.gwern.net

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Volunteers needed
by Alex Peek 18 Apr '13

18 Apr '13

I am working on a project to duplicate a standardized economic report for all 196 countries. Here is the United States: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States. Here is China: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_China Here is Japan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Japan Is there anybody who is willing to add more countries to the list and help edit existing country reports? I am contacting professors around the world in order to complete every country. I think the collaborative product would be a great educational resource to the public. The official project page is here with the list of other country reports: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map#Proposal Alex

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Re: [WikiEN-l] incivility consciously as a tactic.
by Matthew Jacobs 17 Apr '13

17 Apr '13

The problem I've consistently seen with incivility as a tactic is that, the longer someone is around, the more of it they can get away with. Administrators and other high-profile, long-term editors should be held to the highest standards of civility, but the enablers just make excuses for them, and lackeys tend to form around them, stalling, preventing, or just complicating any attempt to deal with their behavior. I got really sick of meeting rude, or even abusive, editors, only to realize they were admins, too. They have long dragged down the project as a whole, but no-one ever seems interested in actually doing anything about the problem. Matt

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serious fallacies
by Kathleen McCook 17 Apr '13

17 Apr '13

I agree with you, Charles. These fallacies are quite transparent. And it is too bad that much good effort and input to the Wikipedia initiative can be lost due to those who feel it is their to be "forthright" (wiggle word) rather than helpful. There is nothing wrong with being helpful. There is everything wrong with a nasty officious edge. Even the Rutgers coach behaviors was finally seen as unacceptable and he sure wasn't as "forthright" as some editors. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Charles Matthews < charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > On 16 April 2013 02:07, Carcharoth <carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Incivility is difficult to deal with. > > That may be the case; but it's not for the reasons usually given. > > > One of the reasons is because there is a school of thought that a > > certain level of frankness and brusqueness is necessary in a place > > like Wikipedia. The trouble with that is that people draw the line in > > different places, partly due to cultural differences, partly due to > > personal levels of what they will accept. > > Yes, well, one of the "differences" is between people who think that > what they find acceptable should constitute a universal standard; and > those who realise this is no way to set universal standards. > > > Some people also treat this as a matter of principle, rather than as > > one of being nice. The way I would describe it (though you really need > > to find an exponent of this view to describe it properly, as I don't > > support this view myself) is that it is more honest to say what you > > really think in simple language, than to dissemble and use careful and > > diplomatic language to essentially say the same thing. I favour the > > latter approach until a certain tipping point is reached, and will > > then be more frank myself. > > Excessive frankness usually does nothing for relationships. "To be > frank" usually prefaces something that can usefully be omitted. > > > I can see the point people are making when they say that being more > > forthright earlier on and consistently on a matter of principle is > > better, but the end result tends to be the same. Hurt feelings all > > round for those who don't get that viewpoint, and those who have a > > tendency towards the more brusque approach sometimes (not always) > > being baited by those who like winding people up. The other effect, > > most damagingly of all, is that the 'community' (which is a localised, > > nebulous entity that is in flux at the best of times and varies > > depending on location and timing) ends up polarised over the issue. > > > > So you get periodic flare-ups, exacerbated by the nature of online > > communications (the lack of body language to and verbal tone) and the > > lack of empathy for others that some who are drawn to Wikipedia > > exhibit. > > The point being that those who actually use incivility as a wedge to > divide the community are quite well aware of that, and this is what > needs to be stamped out as disruption, not intermittent breakdowns of > the civility code. > > I saw a recent study suggesting, alarmingly, that online many people > find angry language and comment relatively persuasive; presumably > because they assume it is sincere, and assume that sincerity has > something to do with being right. I find this much more worrying than > the traditional "lack of affect" argument, because you'd assume over > time people would adapt to that (have we not adapted to the phone?) > > I think there are probably a couple of serious fallacies being allowed > to dominate this discussion, still. > > Charles > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >

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Tom Strickland - former United States Attorney for Colorado
by Latham, Brecke 17 Apr '13

17 Apr '13

I am looking for a Wiki representative to assist in a change that needs to be made to Tom Strickland's Wikipedia page<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Strickland>. I need assistance because he requested that his page be locked several years ago because outside contacts were maliciously tampering with the content. He now needs a few edits to the page, but is not able since it has been locked for content protection. Can you please let me know who can, or who I can contact, to make the changes? -Brecke Brecke Latham | WilmerHale Senior Public Relations Specialist 1875 Pennsylvania Avenue NW Washington, DC 20006 USA +1 202 247 2492 (t) +1 202 663 6363 (f) brecke.latham(a)wilmerhale.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. ________________________________ This email message and any attachments are being sent by Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr LLP, are confidential, and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately-by replying to this message or by sending an email to postmaster(a)wilmerhale.com<mailto:postmaster@wilmerhale.com>-and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Thank you. For more information about WilmerHale, please visit us at http://www.wilmerhale.com.

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