Property talk:P2383

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CTHS person ID
identifier for a person in the directory of French learned societies

Applicable "stated in" value	annuaire prosopographique: la France savante (Q55740543)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	person (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed values	\d+
Example	Charles Maurras (Q3048) → 101743 Jacques Voelckel (Q94766673) → 122666
Source	http://cths.fr/an/selec.php?sc=pr
Formatter URL	https://cths.fr/an/savant.php?id=$1
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P2383 (Q53745919)
Related to country	France (Q142) (See 653 others)
See also	CTHS society ID (P1961)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Map of people by place values: place of birth educated at work location residence place of death place of burial January 1st dates People with date of birth on January 1 People with date of death on January 1 People with both dates on January 1 Mix'n'match (Report) Database reports/Humans with missing claims/P2383 Database reports/Constraint violations/P2383 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 20,668 Main statement 12,727 61.6% of uses Qualifier 2 <0.1% of uses Reference 7,939 38.4% of uses
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Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Pierre Marie de Grave (Q3386142), Jules de Lahondès (Q21715540)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2383#Single value, SPARQL

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2383#Unique value, hourly updated report, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Item “instance of (P31): human (Q5)”: Items with this property should also have “instance of (P31): human (Q5)”. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2383#Item P31, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL

Format “\d+”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2383#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Item “sex or gender (P21)”: Items with this property should also have “sex or gender (P21)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2383#Item P21, search, SPARQL

Item “country of citizenship (P27)”: Items with this property should also have “country of citizenship (P27)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2383#Item P27, search, SPARQL

Item “date of birth (P569)”: Items with this property should also have “date of birth (P569)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2383#Item P569, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2383#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2383#Scope, SPARQL

Label required in languages: fr: Entities using this property should have labels in one of the following languages: fr (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2383#Label in 'fr' language, search, SPARQL

http://cths.fr/hi/personne.php

VIGNERON
Ayack
Ash Crow
Tubezlob
PAC2
Thierry Caro
Pymouss
Alphos
GAllegre
Jean-Frédéric
Manu1400
Marianne Casamance
Nattes à chat
Pierre André
Bouzinac
Jsamwrites
Baidax
LearnKnowGive1
Mathieu Kappler
Daieuxetdailleurs
Archives nationales DJI
Jmax
LearnKnowGive1
Koxinga
Maxime
Framawiki
Legonin
Rémi sim

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Bonjour, l'URL associée à cette propriété est de la forme « http://cths.fr/hi/savants.php?id=$1 ». Or il existe aussi le format « http://cths.fr/hi/personne.php?id=$1 » qui est aussi utilisé pour des personnes. Par exemple Sophie Krausz (Q83295902) a l'identifiant 976 alors que l'URL « savant » utilisant ce numéro correspond à Alexandre Barbié du Bocage (Q7888801). Devrions-nous créer une nouvelle propriété. Et si oui, avec quel nom ? Pamputt (talk) 10:21, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Pamputt: bonne question. Pour moi ce n'est pas tant une question de format de l'URL mais plutôt de base de données. Est-ce une ou deux bases de données distinctes ? Plus d'informations me semble nécessaire, on voit que le même numéro correspond à deux personnes mais existe-t-il le cas inverse ? ie. une personne avec deux numéros pour chaque URL/base ?

PS: une proposition a d'ores et déjà été faite : Wikidata:Property proposal/CTHS author ID (par une adresse IP savoyarde, de façon un peu prématurée et avec quasiment aucun justification, là aussi il faudrait donner plus d'informations).

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 10:35, 18 May 2020 (UTC)