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Infrastructure
editAviation
edit- see also: WikiProject Aviation
Water transport
edit- see also: WikiProject Ships
Railway
edit- see also: WikiProject Railways
Thai railway station identifier (Thai language)
editDescription | Thailand railway station identifier written in Thai |
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Represents | railway station (Q55488) |
Data type | External identifier |
Domain | railway station (Q55488) in Thailand (Q869) |
Allowed values | FILTER(!REGEX(?code, "[0-9a-zA-Z]")) (not sure) |
Example 1 | Nong Tao Railway Station (Q28197321)>→ นต. |
Example 2 | Bang Chak Railway Station (Q25053170) → จก. |
Example 3 | Ban Sok Rang railway station (Q109002701) →บั. |
Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
Country | Thailand (Q869) |
See also | station code (P296), Indian Railways station code (P5696), Israel Railways station number (P13093) |
Single-value constraint | yes |
Distinct-values constraint | yes |
Motivation
edit- Make Thailand stations more identifiable.Bouzinac 💬●✒️●💛 21:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
edit- Question Is there a formatter URL, or at least a source for these identifiers? --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 01:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure who issued these codes, but they are well documented both in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_railway_stations_in_Thailand and in most of Thai infobox, eg there https://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%96%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%96%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%9F%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%8D%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B0%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%A8 Bouzinac 💬●✒️●💛 10:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Without the formatter URL, the existing station code (P296) parameter is sufficient for this purpose. – balint36 passenger complaints 23:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps but the current modelling with P296 is unfriendly to query between multiples P296 values for same station. Bouzinac 💬●✒️●💛 20:27, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Railway station linear reference
editDescription | Stations are located on one or more railway routes, each at a given milestone. This makes it possible to situate them in the topology of a railway infrastructure. A linear reference system can be used to position any object on this topology. In this case, we would add one or more route (or line) number + milestone data pairs. |
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Represents | railway station (Q55488) |
Data type | String |
Allowed values | ^\d+(\.\d+)?:\d+(\.\d+)?$ |
Example 1 | Strasbourg-Ville station (Q801473) → "142000:0" "70000:502" |
Example 2 | Marseille-Saint-Charles station (Q371217) → "830000:862.05" |
Example 3 | Arcachon (Q2777199) → "657000:57.972" |
Source | https://ressources.data.sncf.com/explore/dataset/liste-des-gares/table/ |
Number of IDs in source | About 1 to 10 occurences by railway station |
Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
See also | milestone (Q10145) route number (P1671) |
Motivation
editIt is VERY useful to construct railway topology to make pathfinding along stations. It could be imported to OpenStreetMap (next step!).
I think we could better normalize (and reference) route number / milestone pair, but I don't know how to do that? Nethenic
In addition to the SNCF database, the RINF also contains such data. For example, here is Valenciennes railway station (Q1887294): https://data-interop.era.europa.eu/describe#http%3A%2F%2Fdata.europa.eu%2F949%2FfunctionalInfrastructure%2FoperationalPoints%2F6cb1ddc5faf758084179dcfab543e777b13f2833
The railway location of an infrastructure object parameter contains the milestone + line number data pairs. – balint36 passenger complaints 22:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
edit- Do we need a new property for this? Why not use connecting line (P81) with linear reference (P6710) as a qualifier? --PhiH (talk) 21:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Notified participants of WikiProject Railways. Samoasambia ✎ 05:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Use linear reference (P6710). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
SBOID
editDescription | Swiss ID for public transit companies |
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Represents | Swiss Business Organisation ID (Q131298836) |
Data type | External identifier |
Domain | transport company (Q740752) |
Allowed values | ch:1:sboid:\d+ |
Example 1 | Luftseilbahn Adliswil-Felsenegg (Q1273422) → ch:1:sboid:100162 |
Example 2 | Renfe Operadora (Q2476154) → ch:1:sboid:100863 |
Example 3 | Südbadenbus (Q187629) → ch:1:sboid:100311 |
Source | https://opentransportdata.swiss/en/cookbook/business-organisations/ |
Planned use | either import via mix'n'match or a custom bot, for operator:wikidata tags in OpenStreetMap |
Number of IDs in source | 1889 (as of November 22, 2024) |
Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
Implied notability | Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316) |
Formatter URL | https://atlas.app.sbb.ch/business-organisation-directory/business-organisations/$1 |
Single-value constraint | no — A single transit agency sometimes has multiple SBOIDs, corresponding to different administrative departments. For example, the department that operates trains vs. regular buses vs. night buses vs. replacement buses |
Distinct-values constraint | yes |
Motivation
editExternal identifier for public transit agencies/companies, issued by Switzerland. Specifically, SBOIDs are issued by System tasks customer information (Q131298912) acting on behalf of Federal Office of Transport (Q1005512), maintained in a database called Atlas (Q131298739) operated by Swiss Federal Railways (Q83835). Switzerland sometimes assigns SBOIDs to foreign companies such as Südbadenbus in Germany or even the Cuban railways. In those cases, the SBOID still starts with *ch:1:sboid:* just like for a Swiss company. The SBOID syntax is designed to be compatible with an eventual, not yet existing European standard for identifying transit agencies (similar to IFOPT stop ID (P12393) for transit stops), hence the ch: prefix. Switzerland seems to have gone ahead on this, there’s no European (CEN) standard yet for identifying transit agencies. --Sascha (talk) 01:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
edit- There are almost 2000 of these? Support ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, there’s currently 1889 organizations with an SBOID. A small number of these are state-owned conglomerates like Deutsche Bahn (Q9322) or Société nationale des chemins de fer français (Q13646) with millions of passengers each day. Most of the listed transit agencies are relatively small companies such as Auto AG Uri (Q33058015) which operates just a couple of bus lines. Some entries are super tiny, such as Mattelift (Q1909332) with a single elevator, but technically they’re a still a transit agency with a license and an ID. —Sascha (talk) 08:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @Sascha: Is there a reason why we should include the "ch:1:sboid:" part in every ID when that could be included in the URL format? I think that generally we should avoid having fixed parts in IDs, unless there is a particular reason for that. Samoasambia ✎ 03:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Makes sense. The upstream database recommends to not interpret the SBOID strings, so they can use additional prefixes in the future without disrupting downstream clients. To me personally, though, this seems like a rather hypothetical scenario. Should they ever use additional prefixes, the prefix can surely be added in Wikidata via a bulk edit operation. —Sascha (talk) 12:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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