Wikidata:Property proposal/University Bibliography Tübingen ID
University Bibliography Tübingen ID
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| Description | Central database of all publications of the members of the University of Tübingen (Q153978), the main library of the University of Tübingen, one of the biggest and most renowned universities in Baden-Württemberg, Germany. |
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| Represents | University Bibliography Tübingen (Q32857837) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Domain | item (publications) |
| Example 1 | Imaging characteristics of cardiac metastases in patients with malignant melanoma (Q33861875) → 78260 |
| Example 2 | Richard Kannicht (Q2149916), Q2149916#P69 → 96327 |
| Example 3 | Peter Hilsch (Q48706997), Q48706997#P69 → 68463 |
| Source | https://bibliographie.uni-tuebingen.de |
| Number of IDs in source | > 75,000 |
| Expected completeness | always incomplete |
| Formatter URL | https://bibliographie.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/handle/10900/$1 |
Motivation
editDatabase with more than 75,000 publications: books, articles, reprints etc. --Kolja21 (talk) 02:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
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Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control. --Kolja21 (talk) 03:06, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Support https://bibliographie.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/handle/10900/35958/browse?type=author seems to be the best source for scraping. -- Bargioni 🗣 09:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Question With the addition of this property, wouldn't all university bibliographies potentially qualify for their own properties in the future, even if they don’t contain new information? After all, the works already appear to be linked to SWB/K10plus, and through that, to WorldCat. For example, 96327 can be sufficiently linked through 074300121 (SWB editions (P1044)), 1144300126 (K10plus PPN ID (P6721)), and 313218873 (OCLC control number (P243)). Or does this property serve a broader purpose I haven’t recognized? Printstream (talk) 12:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the question. Imho each type of linkage offers advantages if it leads to a citable source.
- The University Bibliography Tübingen is well-suited as a source reference and it often contains unique informations. (I use the databases of the university for example to find the doctoral adviser or the complete text of a thesis.)
- This bibliography is not identical with other databases, even if the German National Library, union catalogues or WorldCat take over parts of the information. When I quote a source, I want to refer to the original if possible.
- Some works are linked to other cataloges but not all. If the text is part of a book, a lecture etc. it is not included in K10plus (Q100884768).
- Last not least a reason for the proposal was that URLs have changed several times in similar cases since Wikidata was founded. Only the ID is stable.
- --Kolja21 (talk) 15:44, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support I can make sense of it now. Good to know, thanks for the explanations. Printstream (talk) 17:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support --Jneubert (talk) 07:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Oppose, use Handle ID (P1184) / Property:P1184, e.g. http://hdl.handle.net/10900/78260 redirects to https://bibliographie.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/handle/10900/78260 . Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control . Irina Nikolaevna Chandler (talk) 21:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- good catch, I have added the relavent URL extract pattern to Handle, that's not to say however thier own ID may not have relevance Back ache (talk) 11:42, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Same sock puppet as User:PropertyScientist? --Kolja21 (talk) 22:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support In the Semantic Web, the more identifiers, the better. --Carlobia (talk) 10:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Your "explanatory statement" is flawed: This isn't a vote about having "more identifiers", but about a new property. UBTID (talk) 07:31, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment user:ArthurPSmith marked the property as "ready" [1], claiming "marked as ready - discussion strongly favors creation" while that is not the case. No one explained why for this random university a subproperty of P1184 should be created. To the contrary, the proposer Kolja21 themself said "that URLs have changed several times in similar cases since Wikidata was founded. Only the ID is stable." - that means if it is stored in a property Wikidata can be stuck with broken links. This won't be so with hdl.handle.net. The Handle System Q3126718 has been created exactly for that - perrsistent identifiers. Why would WD not use these? UBTID (talk) 07:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wikidata stores the ID, not the URL. The link is adjusted based on the formatter URL. This could easily be based on the handle if we wanted. It is still useful to have a property specific to a particular institution and application; constraints can be different etc. and queries more efficient relative to a generic handle property. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)