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== Unidentified Venator-class Star Destroyer (Rugosa) (talk - history - links - logs - delete - protect)==

The short story doesn't actually mention this ship, so it is just a ship which happens to show up at the end of the episode. Not a lot of significance and nothing calls it a flagship or command ship. Loqiical (talk) 03:14, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Delete

1. Loqiical (talk) 03:14, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
2. Wok142 (talk) 03:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
3. —spookywilloww^talk 03:54, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

   The Venator does appear in the short story, but its still not specific. To provide more context, the short story says two "Jedi cruisers" (an alternative name for Venators) arrived, which means there were two Venators. So not only is this ship not special, but there was another one there the whole time lmao. At the end of the story, Yoda meditates in his cabin aboard "the Jedi cruiser" but doesn't confirm which, so still not enough for a page. Editoronthewiki (talk) 03:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

   I think it's pretty obvious which one it refers to when it says 'aboard the Jedi cruiser', the one we see them go towards in the episode, even if there was another there Lewisr (talk) 04:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

   Yoda's ship arrives, along with two Jedi cruisers according to the story. None of this actually is pictured in the episode. Loqiical (talk) 08:37, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

   But we see them fly to a cruiser in a gunship at the end of the episode. It doesn't make sense that they would then randomly be aboard the non-depicted cruiser in the episode, the obvious intent is that it's aboard the cruiser we see them fly towards in the episode. Lewisr (talk) 16:05, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

   People can move between ships Loqiical (talk) 00:38, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

   Sure, but the story gives no indication of this. The story shows them heading skyward, which per the episode we know was to this Venator, then it says 'Back in his cabin aboard the Jedi cruiser.' Lewisr (talk) 00:44, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

   But we don't know where the cabin is Loqiical (talk) 05:09, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

   Well we do, it's aboard the Jedi cruiser, and it seems obvious enough which one it refers to Lewisr (talk) 11:37, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

   To me this seems like an assumption. If anything, the words "back on" suggest that the "Jedi cruiser" is Yoda's ship at the start of the episode. Loqiical (talk) 08:27, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

   The story refers to Yoda's frigate as a seperate ship so it wouldn't refer to that when it says Jedi cruiser. It doesn't say 'back on' it just says 'back in his cabin aboard the Jedi cruiser' Lewisr (talk) 14:05, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

   Since it is ambiguous, this article is not made any more notable. Loqiical (talk) 01:31, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

4. NanoLuuke^{Cloning Facility} 14:14, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

   Manoof (he/him/his) 10:36, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

5. Asithol (talk) 05:35, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
6. CT-1742 (talk) 05:46, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
7. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 17:35, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Keep

1. Actually the story does mention the ship, it even has a scene aboard it where Yoda has visions of the 3 clone's future in his cabin Lewisr (talk) 03:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

   But there's two "Jedi cruisers" Loqiical (talk) 08:35, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

   See above Lewisr (talk) 16:05, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

2. Per Lew. Rsand 30 (talk) 12:25, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
3. SorcererSupreme21 (talk) 23:07, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
4. VergenceScatter (talk) 18:47, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
5. ThrawnChiss7 ^{Assembly Cupola} 01:10, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
6. gonna side with Lew after his responses Editoronthewiki (talk) 15:29, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
7. Per above --Vitus Infinitus^Talk 15:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
8. Lew has done great and convinced me that it is identifiable. Manoof (he/him/his) 16:09, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
9. BloodOfIrizi ^(Syndicure) 18:49, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
10. Samonic ^(Talk) 21:49, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Comments

• If we completed this article, would its significance be based on an assumption? Loqiical (talk) 02:29, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
  • I don't see it as an assumption, and more just logically following on from where the episode finished Lewisr (talk) 02:40, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

== Unidentified Venator-class Star Destroyer (Rugosa)/Legends (history - links - logs - delete - protect)==

As above. Loqiical (talk) 03:14, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Delete

1. Loqiical (talk) 03:14, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
2. Wok142 (talk) 03:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
3. —spookywilloww^talk 03:54, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
4. No such story in Legends, however Lewisr (talk) 03:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
5. Rsand 30 (talk) 12:25, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
6. NanoLuuke^{Cloning Facility} 14:14, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
7. VergenceScatter (talk) 18:47, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
8. Manoof (he/him/his) 10:36, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
9. Asithol (talk) 05:35, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
10. CT-1742 (talk) 05:47, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
11. ThrawnChiss7 ^{Assembly Cupola} 01:10, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
12. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 07:17, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
13. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 17:36, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
14. --Vitus Infinitus^Talk 15:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
15. Samonic ^(Talk) 21:49, 11 March 2023 (UTC)