Talk:Galvatron II

Uh where's the part where he fights G2 Ultra Magnas in what could be an expansion of the Jpn-Animated continuity 's G2?

• I'm afraid I don't know what you're referring to. Where did this happen? --DrSpengler 00:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

The eHobby toy is the Marvel Comics Galvatron II. I don't, however, think it has anything to do with the Japanese animated continuity. --ItsWalky 01:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

"Consistency is victory!"

"Ultra Magnus once lost his life in a Decepticon attack. When he did, as he had briefly been the bearer of the Matrix, his soul was invited to join those guardians of wisdom beyond that of the present world, but it did not seem to him that he truly belonged there. Now, aware of Galvatron II putting the galaxy in crisis by commanding a fearsome mobile battle fortress, he has used Optimus Prime's "Matrix of Reconfiguration" and achieved his own resurrection! Abilities: Programmed with a new combat structure, Ultra Magnus normal form now possesses power rivaling his original large robot mode, on top of which he has complete control over a battle station equipped with a diverse array of armaments. He can also feed energy from his laser core into the gun and longsword that are his personal weapons, providing them enormous destructive power (http://www.e-hobby.co.jp/cgi-bin/omc?&port=33301&req=PRODUCT&code=tfe23)."

On second look this story does appear to have some US G2 in it, what with the fleet of War Worlds

Specifically, as has been noted before, it seems to be referencing the unofficial Transforce convention story "Alignment," which had Galvatron II and a fleet of War Worlds. --ItsWalky 01:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

The line "he had briefly been the bearer of the Matrix" Seems to suggest that this takes place in a spinoff from a timeline in which TFTM has occoured, which should weed out many Comic Timelines, plus there's the mention of the Reconfiguration Matrix, which IIRC Was only in the G2 Manga and some US Bios.

The Reconfiguration Matrix is FROM the US bios, so I don't see it as proof that this exists in Japanese animated continuity, especially since it was used the same year in BotCon 2005 Ironhide's bio. The Reconfiguration Matrix is just a commonly-used artifact which originated from the G2 era. (You're X-Bob, aren't you?) --ItsWalky 16:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm an idiot, I somehow misread this Talk page as "Galvatron BWII". Whoah is me. -DrSpengler 01:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I would just like to say that the last line in the trivia is one of the best line's I've ever read. Hunter-113 00:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Gold Filagree

I'd like to see a picture of this dude's toy with the aforementioned stickers. -Derik 20:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Name

I don't really think "Galvatron II" is the best name for this article. First, it wasn't his in-fiction name. Nobody went around calling him Galvatron II. Second, even if it were really his name, it is his Japanese name. When we have an English name for a character we use that. Having said that, I appreciate the need for him to have is own page, and maybe there aren't better alternatives. But how about one alternative: this page would work well as a sub-page of "Galvatron (G1)", such as [Edit: "Galvatron (G1)/Rhythms of Darkness!"] for instance. - Starfield 10:23, 18 November 2009 (EST)

If a character has a real name somewhere that keeps them from being, for example, "Galvatron (G1)/Rhythms of Darkness," we should use that name. I don't care if it's Sumerian. --ItsWalky 10:58, 18 November 2009 (EST)

This. I'm not sure why in the world you prefer something as hideous as "Galvatron (G1)/Rhythms of Darkness!" to the simple and official "Galvatron II". And appending "II" to the name does not make it a "Japanese name". —Interrobang 11:59, 18 November 2009 (EST)

If my suggestion is too ugly, that's fine. - Starfield 12:51, 18 November 2009 (EST)

Dude. His English name is "Galvatron". Nobody in English fiction called him "Galvatron II." - Starfield 13:20, 18 November 2009 (EST)

The Japanese fiction did not create the name, but borrowed it from "Alignment," which is as English as it gets. --ItsWalky 13:24, 18 November 2009 (EST)

Our policies are more "firm suggestions" than "absolute laws." Galvatron II was only canonically published in Japan, but it's more canonical than anything else we could possibly call him, so the exception to the rule of English supremacism should stand. --Thylacine 2000 13:26, 18 November 2009 (EST)

That also. --ItsWalky 13:32, 18 November 2009 (EST)

Doh! I forgot about Alignment. - Starfield 15:12, 18 November 2009 (EST)

"Galvatron II" is as much a name as "Galvatron (G1)" is. "II" is not part of the character's actual name, but a disambiguation used in official sources. And you'll note that the very first sentence in the article names the character simply "Galvatron". —Interrobang 14:31, 18 November 2009 (EST)

Then what do we call the Galvatron from Aspects of Evil which came between Galvatron I and Galvatron II? He can't be either of them. 95.148.8.38 14:53, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

Perchance to Dream

I'm willing to say that the non-Time Wars Galvatron who showed up in the "Perchance to Dream" stories is actually Galvatron II. We know he's not Galvatron I, as he says as much, and the PtD stories are part of the Earthforce continuity, which references vaguely plans Furman had in mind for the US comic, but ultimately ended up being incompatible. Now, it's impossible to reconcile the timeline between these two iterations of the character for that reason, but I do think the PtD stuff should be in its own section on this page. --ItsWalky 15:27, 23 January 2010 (EST)

I think... and I'm not getting them out to check right now, but I THINK... that one of the "history of Marvel UK" sections included in the Titan TPs outright says that the PtD Galvatron is Galvatron II. And while they're uncredited, I'm fairly sure Furman wrote those himself. I always thought it made a lot of sense, anyway - if one assumes that this is Galvatron II, then essentially, it's a timeline branch - in one branch, he goes to Cybertron abd the US comic storyline happens, but in the other, he instead goes to the Ark and stars in PtD instead, then Earthforce happens (because Galvatron never does his thing with Emirate Xaaron to make Unicron suspicious, causing him to speed to Cybertron instead of taking his time, leaving the room Earthforce needs to occur).- Chris McFeely 15:35, 23 January 2010 (EST)

Yeah, that seals it. The Dinobot Hunt trade says that the PtD Galvatron "is the alternate-reality Galvatron from US #67." So. --ItsWalky 15:52, 23 January 2010 (EST)

Nice sleuthing, wiki-folk!--Jimsorenson 17:34, 23 January 2010 (EST)

I say the Titan trade is in error in making that statement. At no point does the Galvatron from Rhythms of Darkness have the oppurtunity or ability to travel to yet another timeline. For the statement from Titan to be believed, further sleuthing is in order. Just how and when was it possible for Galvatron to travel to the Earthforce continuity? The comics don't support Titan's statement. BassX0 14:51, 8 December 2012 (EST)

You're assuming he jumped to it. Why not assume the Earthforce timeline branched off after Unicron had already brought him back in time? It makes far more sense, as I theorized above two years ago. - Chris McFeely 14:54, 8 December 2012 (EST)

I dont' remember the specifics... but when we were putting together one of the continuity pages there was a long discussion about the Earthforce thing and we concluded it was a branch timeline that broke off after Galvatron was taken back but before Unicron sent Galvatron to Cybertron. (Which in turn resulted in Unicron having to change his route to Cybertron and arrive in 1991 and not 2005 when he realized that Galvatron had gone off the grid with Xaaron.)

There's lots of little things that support this, not the least of which is that one of the Firecons dies early in Earthforce continuity and then again in #80 of the US series-- the branch was prior to that death.

(Honestly, the continuity split-out was pretty consistent under-the-hood, Furman obviously thought out the mechanics of how it had happened, he just never explained it on-paper.) -Derik 16:35, 8 December 2012 (EST)

I'm actually wondering, post-RG1 (and FP's Classics)... should we regard pre-Earthforce US/UK as one basically-continuous timeline at all any more, as opposed to "here's the US continuity (Marvel US #1-80, Headmasters, GIJoe & TF...), and here's the UK continuity, which includes most of the US stuff up to the start of Earthforce, albeit not precisely, and then goes its own way, including Fleetway G2." After all, US G2 spins out of a GIJoe series continuity which includes the GIJoe & TF miniseries that's explicitly not part of Marvel UK continuity, and both Classics & RG1 explicitly don't include it in their histories. - SanityOrMadness 22:00, 8 December 2012 (EST)

That last trivia note

Um, I may be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure that Galvatron II didn't dimension-hop into the timeline before Galvatron I's creation. He dimension-hopped into Japanese G-2, right? Which takes place after Zone in 2015 or so? So, uh, I feel like we need to nix that bit, but I want to be sure. --ItsWalky 02:03, 24 January 2010 (EST)

Well, Ichikawa's retcon made it so that the Galvatron who appeared in various story pages alongside Megatron and Prime was a dimension-hopping Galvatron II (we even have a fiction section for it right there) and I don't think any of those story pages were retconned into taking place after G-2. So it looks like Galvatron II did a couple hops. First to the pre-2005 point in the timeline so he could act as Megatron's subordinate in those old story pages, then he either hopped again or took the long way and waited so he coule appear in the post G-2 bios and mini comics. Either way, the Galvatron seen in those story pages was retconned into Galvatron II, and those pages take place pre-2005, so I don't think that trivia note is exactly inaccurate. --DrSpengler 08:45, 24 January 2010 (EST)

In one of the Japanese childrens book series (Kodansha no Terebi Ehon #93), the Galvatron appearing is in his toy colors all the way through. There are not two different Galvatrons within the story. Could this be considered an appearance of II, or just normal Galvatron in toy colors? HydraDW 23:35, 22 March 2012 (EDT)

Normal Galvatron can be in toy colors, like the one who was in the Marvel UK material, so I'd imagine he's just normal Galvatron, unless there's some strong evidence otherwise. --ItsWalky 23:51, 22 March 2012 (EDT)

Do we have that series documented on the wiki? -Derik 16:38, 8 December 2012 (EST)