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Those who leave and those who stay (original 2014; edition 2014)

by Elena Ferrante

Series: Neapolitan Novels (3)

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In the third book in the New York Times bestselling Neapolitan quartet that inspired the HBO series My Brilliant Friend, Elena and Lila have grown into womanhood.

Lila married at sixteen and has a young son; she has left her husband and the comforts her marriage brought and now works as a common laborer. Elena has left the neighborhood, earned her college degree, and published a successful novel, all of which has opened the doors to a world of learned interlocutors and richly furnished salons.

Both women are pushing against the walls of a prison that would have seen them living a life of misery, ignorance, and submission. They are afloat on the great sea of opportunities that opened up for women during the 1970s. And yet, they are still very much bound to each other in a book that "shows off Ferrante's strong storytelling ability and will leave readers eager for the final volume of the series" (Library Journal).

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Title:Those who leave and those who stay
Authors:Elena Ferrante
Info:New York : Europa Editions, 2014.
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Those Who Leave and Those Who Stay by Elena Ferrante (2014)

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Went back and forth between three and four stars as I did not enjoy this one as much as the others. Don't get me wrong, it continued to be compelling - but there was a disturbing element that was all too pervasive: I really didn’t like the protagonist. Interestingly, there was a point around the middle where she wrote her second book and it turned out to be horrible because the protagonist was so unlikable. That parallelism made me realize it was likely on purpose and take a slightly different attitude. Diving back in to the next one... ( )
  jawertman | Dec 23, 2024 |
I listened to this is audiobook format.

This novel (#3 of 4 in Ferrante's Neapolitan novels) delves into the married and professional lives of the cast of characters from Naples, this time with a sharp awareness of the political and social violence and economic upheaval happening in Italy in the 1960s-1980s. Elena and Lila continue to come together and apart in their toxic "friendship" as they raise children, have affairs, and impart of personal journeys pursuing independence and self improvement. I enjoyed this book--- there were a lot of keen insights into relationships, love, sex, and motherhood. I am starting to tire of Lila's narcissism and Elena's dependence on her abuse, but I will definitely complete the tetralogy and am also working my way through the 4 season HBO series. ( )
  technodiabla | Dec 11, 2024 |
this review is for the audiobook edition, read by hillary huber.

so. good. it's been completely enjoyable revisiting this series in audiobook form. life being what it is, my focus and concentration are pretty broken, which causes issues and frustrations when trying to read paper books. so i am glad for the audio alternatives. huber does an excellent job bringing the characters, and their different personalities, to life. ( )
  JuniperD | Oct 19, 2024 |
In the third book of the Neapolitan novels we descend further into violence as political upheaval erupts. With the narrator moving away from Naples to Florence, the story sways a bit and we see less of some of the characters from the first two books.

An interesting thing about this book is how much seems to happen as compared to the the first two. Political movements and social groups mobilize as the turmoil that surrounds LenĂş seeps into her personal life with the reentry of Nino. Ferrante's seemingly simple prose draws the reader in as usual and ends with gripping suspense. ( )
  raulbimenyimana | Oct 13, 2024 |
The tetralogy is finally complete, albeit in a weird order (2, 4, 1 and now 3). Now I'm looking forward to the final season. ( )
  aljosa95 | Aug 23, 2024 |
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Writing about the Brilliant Friend books has been one of the hardest assignments I’ve ever done. When I began, I thought I felt this way because I loved them so much and didn’t know where to start with all my praising. Then I had to fight a deep desire not to mention the things I most liked in the novels so I could keep them to myself. Now my view of the matter is that somehow Ferrante so thoroughly succeeds in her aim of seizing at “the evasive thing” that she has stirred up something from the depths of her mind that touches and spreads through mine.

It has to do, presumably, with femininity, with having been a girl who loved reading and was supposed to know that you have to let the boys keep winning at math. It has to do too with the less gendered but even more bodily experience of living in and through a mind. And it has to do, profoundly, with living in a mind and being touched by another one: delighted, exasperated, confused, envious, sorrowful, appalled. As the years go by, the women in these novels allow the holes in their friendship to spread, yet Elena feels the presence of Lila constantly, an almost physical pressure, a disturbance in the air. Telling her own story, she thinks, is easy enough: “the important facts slide along the thread of the years like suitcases on a conveyor belt at an airport.” But involving Lila, “the belt slows down, accelerates, swerves abruptly . . . The suitcases fall off, fly open, their contents scatter here and there. Her things end up among mine.”

“May I point out something?” Lila says to Elena in one of the women’s scarce, increasingly ill-tempered phone conversations in the Seventies. “You always use true and truthfully, when you speak and when you write. Or you say: unexpectedly. But when do people ever speak truthfully and when do things ever happen unexpectedly? You know better than I that it’s all a fraud and that one thing follows another and then another.”

This, in a nutshell, is Lila’s problem, perhaps her tragedy. She thinks so fast and with such ferocious rigor; she sees connections and discerns so many fine distinctions; she’s impossible and overwhelming — “too much for anyone” and, most of all, for herself. But Elena keeps thinking about her, putting her on the page. Great novels are intelligent far beyond the powers of any character or writer or individual reader, as are great friendships, in their way. These wonderful books sit at the heart of that mystery, with the warmth and power of both.
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In the third book in the New York Times bestselling Neapolitan quartet that inspired the HBO series My Brilliant Friend, Elena and Lila have grown into womanhood.

Lila married at sixteen and has a young son; she has left her husband and the comforts her marriage brought and now works as a common laborer. Elena has left the neighborhood, earned her college degree, and published a successful novel, all of which has opened the doors to a world of learned interlocutors and richly furnished salons.

Both women are pushing against the walls of a prison that would have seen them living a life of misery, ignorance, and submission. They are afloat on the great sea of opportunities that opened up for women during the 1970s. And yet, they are still very much bound to each other in a book that "shows off Ferrante's strong storytelling ability and will leave readers eager for the final volume of the series" (Library Journal).

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