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Wie man über Bücher spricht, die man nicht gelesen hat (original 2007; edition 2007)

by Pierre Bayard (Author), Lis Künzli (Übersetzer)

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In this mischievous book, literature professor Bayard contends that, in this age of infinite publication, the truly cultivated person is not the one who has read a book but the one who understands the book's place in our culture ... Using examples from works by Graham Greene, Umberto Eco, and others (and even the movie Groundhog Day), Bayard examines the many kinds of "non-reading" (forgotten books, books discussed by others, books we've skimmed briefly) and the many potentially nightmarish situations in which we are called upon to discuss our reading with others. At heart, this delightfully tongue-in-cheek book challenges everyone who's ever felt guilty about missing some of the great books to consider what reading means, how we absorb books as part of ourselves, and why we spend so much time talking about what we have, or haven't, read.… (more)
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Title:Wie man über Bücher spricht, die man nicht gelesen hat
Authors:Pierre Bayard (Author)
Other authors:Lis Künzli (Übersetzer)
Info:Kunstmann, Antje, Verlag (2007), Ausgabe: 1, 224 Seiten
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How to Talk About Books You Haven't Read by Pierre Bayard (2007)

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I’ll get to the why of it. I think literature is wasted time, I don’t think there’s anything good about it. It’s not a moral project except in this profound aspect of wasting time. — Eileen Myles, For Now


Not-Useless

There's something humorous in the use of copious literary reference to substantiate an argument against (certain kinds of) reading. Bayard here recalling those lectures against physical possessions from wealthy Roman Stoics, or, more precisely, lectures against gambling from those who have made a living betting it all on Red. This text is, in another sense, the opposite of the game Humiliation presented within: In that game you earn points for not having read books that others have. (As of this moment, I also have not read Hamlet). Compared to the fictional professor who wins a round of Humiliation by admitting to never having read the Bard (and subsequently loses his position), it's evident our author keeps at least one eye fixed on the sinecure (but we forgive him).

The main thrust of argument appears to be essentially correct: for most discussions of famous books (e.g. Ulysses) you typically don't need to know more about them than the few factoids floating around in the Zeitgeist. In this sense, certain books are "not worth reading" since you don't get much more out of them. This is a somewhat "straightforward" statement, yet it implies something radical. In Bayard's tacit admission that reading books isn't an "embiggening" process, he's approaching the radical critique of literature excerpted from Eileen Myles i.e. "Literature is wasted time, I don’t think there’s anything good about it."

Such statements are at the heart of a conundrum for those who are somewhat serious about reading. On one hand there's the (self-congratulatory) assertion that every good book you read becomes part of your personal project of continuous self-improvement; on the other hand, the more books you read the more apparent it becomes that books aren't worth anything. Yet those of us who imagine ourselves so world-weary to think the latter is the case (e.g. "how many billions have died not having read Hamlet and none the worse for it,") we somehow continue reading as if secretly (under cover of dreams) we still believed in the Liberal project. This is perhaps one for those psychoanalysts of (semi) unconscious drives . . . o O ((Only on the analyst's couch would I admit that I prefer my translations of Eugene Onegin in mediocre verse to Nabokov's unimpeachable prose.))

In brief, the reason this collection is "not useless" (to me) is because it parallels so precisely my own rating system, in which most things go into the (one-star) dustbin of "everything you don't have to read." Certainly there are works in there of perfectly acceptable quality, yet (when I read them) I didn't think they were "not-useless" (triple negative), except, of course, for your own (useless) reading-pleasure. (I'm thinking particularly of Umberto Eco, the quintessential "one-star" author, who is always writing things of excellent scholarly quality, but perhaps may never have had an idea in his life. You can get all of him from Wikipedia). Yet — and this one of the joys of reading — any work, even the worst, has the potential to resonate with me enough to earn a promotion (from not-not-useless to not-useless; this is the beneficial aspect of knowing all literature is already useless), even so, I wouldn't say this text still reaches the three-star category of things I would call "Not-Humiliating." ( )
  Joe.Olipo | Jan 1, 2025 |
Some very interesting philosophy going on in this book about what it really means to have "read" a book (have we still read it if we've forgotten almost everything about it? What about if we skim it?) Still, it's not really a suck-you-in kind of book, and it hasn't held my attention over the holidays. Time to put it down and move on to something else. ( )
  word.owl | Nov 12, 2024 |
Fun fact, Shakespeare does not reach all people. Leave it to a French person to point that out. Needless to say, the English program at my university did not require this book. The author points out the obvious, you cannot read every book. And then they point out the other obvious problem, sometimes that can be a detriment. Even if we've read the book, chances are we will at best mis-remember many parts. But there are times that we are put in situations in which we must at least make out as if we know the contents of the book. I recommend this to anyone who is serious about reading, and any student who really wishes they could get out of reading some of the absolute trash our literature profs put on the reading lists. ( )
  IriDas | Jun 5, 2024 |
This book is very well written (and translated), is witty, elegant and honest especially if we consider that the one who's admitting he doesn't completely read all books is a literature professor. Nonetheless, the title was promising probably more than a collection of examples taken from literature on from authors' biographies. The best thing about the book is definitely its peculiar list of abbreviations: https://p.twimg.com/AwoK-gcCQAA3ohU.png:large ( )
  d.v. | May 16, 2023 |
I was surprised by how much I enjoyed this. Be warned, this gives you very little real practical advice in regards to the title. But it does explore the concepts of reading and not-reading and the social and personal consequences of these cultural practices. I suspect it is a book more likely to be enjoyed by those who are already well read who also enjoy the philosophy of art and the creative spirit, English majors and artists and the like. He explores a number of books I have and haven't read and even a few movies. He turned Groundhog Day into a more profound experience than it maybe deserves. In the end, I was surprised how inspiring I found the ultimate message about personal creativity and introspection. It made me want to reread "If on a winter's night a traveler", one of my favorite books about reading. I ended up with a lot of highlights of passages I would like to revisit, which is always a sign of approval in my library.

"Beyond the possibility of self-discovery, the discussion of unread books places us at the heart of the creative process, by leading us back to its source. To talk about unread books is to be present at the birth of the creative subject. In this inaugural moment when book and self separate, the reader, free at last from the weight of the words of others, may find the strength to invent his own text, and in that moment, he becomes a writer himself." ( )
  invisiblecityzen | Mar 13, 2022 |
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“Non leggo mai libri che devo recensire; non vorrei rimanerne influenzato” affermava Oscar Wilde con il gusto del paradosso che lo contraddistingueva. La tesi che lo psicoanalista francese Pierre Bayard espone in questo libro non è molto diversa. Anche i lettori forti ricordano a distanza di tempo ben poco di quello che hanno letto. La memoria umana predilige l'oblio. Ciò non significa che nel nostro inconscio il libro letto non continui a vivere, come una atmosfera particolare, come un nucleo di idee e di emozioni che finiscono per determinarci. Inoltre un libro non è composto soltanto dal testo scritto dall'autore, ma da tutti i discorsi che negli anni (o secoli) si sono prodotti sul libro stesso: commenti, recensioni, conversazioni, lezioni, critiche professionali e non. Per cui, anche se non si è letto direttamente il testo, ci si forma ugualmente un'opinione precisa su un libro, fino ad arrivare a parlarne con cognizione di causa senza averlo mai letto direttamente.
Personalmente preferisco leggere i libri di cui parlo, ma devo ammettere che le ipotesi avanzate da Bayard sono seducenti. Ne rimase affascinato persino Umberto Eco, che al pamphlet del professore francese dedicò una famosa "bustina di minerva", cui volentieri rimando il lettore esigente.

Bayard esordisce affermando di non trovare la lettura una attività particolarmente piacevole, ma che il suo ruolo di docente di letteratura lo obbliga a parlare di libri che in gran parte non ha letto. Non ha mai letto, per esempio, l'Ulisse di Joyce e non ha certo compiuto una lettura integrale della Recherche di Proust. Di più, su molti libri egli deve redigere dei testi critici. Ciò lo mette in conflitto con tre costrizioni fortemente interiorizzate dalla nostra epoca: l'obbligo di leggere che conferisce alla lettura un carattere sacro, l'obbligo di leggere tutto e l'obbligo di leggere assolutamente un libro prima di parlarne.

L'esito di queste costrizioni interiorizzate è l'ipocrisia sui libri effettivamente letti, la menzogna imbarazzata. Le persone colte si vergognano ad ammettere di non aver letto determinati libri. A volte si arriva all'autoinganno: si è convinti di aver letto un libro che in realtà non si è mai letto. Bayard sottolinea come esistano molteplici livelli di lettura, situati tra il leggere e il non-leggere. L'incontro con un testo riconosce molte forme. E così i libri non letti, ma di cui si sia sentito parlare "esercitano effetti sensibili su di noi, tramite le risonanze che da essi ci pervengono".

La nozione di "libro letto" è ambigua. Ci sono libri a noi totalmente sconosciuti, libri che abbiamo soltanto sfogliato, libri di cui abbiamo sentito parlare e libri che abbiamo dimenticato. La relazione che intratteniamo con i libri non è affatto omogenea, "bensì uno spazio oscuro infestato da frammenti di ricordi e il cui valore, anche creativo, dipende dai fantasmi dai contorni oscuri che vi abitano".

D'altronde, nemmeno un'intera vita può permetterci di leggere tutti i libri; l'importante, allora, non è tanto leggere per intero un libro, quanto avere una visione d'insieme della totalità dei libri. In questa visione d'insieme si riconosce la vera cultura, nella capacità quindi di mettere in relazione i libri tra di loro, piuttosto che nel conoscere meticolosamente alcuni singoli testi. Si deve cioè coltivare una visione d'insieme. "La cultura è soprattutto una questione di orientamento". Orientamento nella relazione dei libri tra di loro e orientamento all'interno di un testo (che si può ottenere velocemente anche dando soltanto una scorsa all'indice).

A volte per farsi un'idea precisa di un libro "basta leggere e ascoltare ciò che altri ne scrivono e dicono". Persino gli autori stessi sovente ignorano quanto hanno scritto nei volumi pubblicati. Infine - ancora una volta ci viene in soccorso Wilde - accanto ai libri da leggere e a quelli da rileggere ci sono i libri sconsigliati, quelli da cui sarebbe bene tenersi alla larga. La lettura non è perciò soltanto un processo benefico, ma talvolta può rivelarsi un'attività nefasta.

La memoria intorno alle nostre letture si riorganizza incessantemente. La lettura e il nostro parlare di libri è più che altro un pretesto autobiografico, un modo per parlare di noi stessi. e per interpretare la nostra esperienza.

Bayard ci invita dunque a liberarci una volta per tutte dalla falsa idea perfezionista, imposta dalle istituzioni scolastiche, della lettura integrale, per vedere invece nei libri principalmente una parte di noi stessi, uno strumento fluido di autoconoscenza, un importante materiale per la costruzione della propria identità e un' occasione di creazione originale.

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I seriously doubt that pretending to have read this book will boost your creativity. On the other hand, reading it may remind you why you love reading.
 

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In this mischievous book, literature professor Bayard contends that, in this age of infinite publication, the truly cultivated person is not the one who has read a book but the one who understands the book's place in our culture ... Using examples from works by Graham Greene, Umberto Eco, and others (and even the movie Groundhog Day), Bayard examines the many kinds of "non-reading" (forgotten books, books discussed by others, books we've skimmed briefly) and the many potentially nightmarish situations in which we are called upon to discuss our reading with others. At heart, this delightfully tongue-in-cheek book challenges everyone who's ever felt guilty about missing some of the great books to consider what reading means, how we absorb books as part of ourselves, and why we spend so much time talking about what we have, or haven't, read.

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