Wikidata:Property proposal/ISCO-08 occupation code

ISCO-08 occupation code

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Done: ISCO-08 occupation class (P8283) (Talk and documentation)

Description	International Standard Classification of Occupations code according to the International Labour Organization (ILO) classification structure as of 2008
Data type	String
Domain	occupation (Q12737077)
Allowed values	[0-9]{4}
Example 1	playwright (Q214917) → 2641 (2451 in ISCO-88)
Example 2	stonemason (Q328325) → 7113 (7122 in ISCO-88)
Example 3	lumberjack (Q1124183) → 6210 (6141 in ISCO-88)
Example 4	goatherd (Q5575361) → 6121 (6121 in ISCO-88)
Format and edit filter validation	[0-9]{4}
Source	http://www.ilo.org/public/english/bureau/stat/isco/isco08/
Planned use	Filter down occupation (P106)
Number of IDs in source	7017
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Robot and gadget jobs	It should be possible to bot-match 1–2k of the entries, depending on the amount of manual work
See also	ISCO-88 occupation class (P952)

Motivation

It is necessary to somehow filter occupation (P106) to find the real occupations, as a subset of human activity, and this property makes it possible. Occupations now contain a lot of human activity that has nothing to do with an occupation in the sense of work, and it seems impossible to clean it up.[1][2] For example this leads to serial killer (Q484188) being an “occupation”.[3] Check also the thread Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2020/05#ISCO occupation code.

Note that ISCO-88 occupation class (P952) should be changed to cover ISCO-88 when this property has been created, as almost all entries follow that standard. Not all though, so each entry must be checked. Jeblad (talk) 12:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note also that for some activities the actual work might be slightly different from the thing described at Wikipedia, thus the work is only related to the item. Jeblad (talk) 13:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support The present situation with confusing "occupations" is one of several important argument against the use of Wikidata-connected infoboxes in wpno. Johann Sebastian Bach was according to Wikidata hired as a virtuoso (Q214970), which he was not. The word is a description of his skills, not his occupation. As I understand the suggestion is an attempt to remove such errors, I will support it. --Trygve W Nodeland (talk) 14:26, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support. E.g., the Norwegian white supremacist Anders Behring Breivik is listed with occupations such as "mass murderer", "terrorist" and "conspiracy theorist". These are hardly lines of work! This property needs to be reigned in. Asav (talk) 14:45, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Support this proposal. Ulflarsen (talk) 15:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- Will help to clean up a right mess. Geanixx (talk) 16:41, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Epìdosis

Notified participants of WikiProject Occupations and professions Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Germartin1 (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Premeditated (talk) 17:12, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Pmt (talk) 21:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Moebeus (talk) 22:00, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeblad, Trygve W Nodeland, Asav, Ulflarsen, Geanixx, Germartin1: @Premeditated, Pmt, Moebeus: Done --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 05:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Using a UN statistical standard instead of our own folksonomy will be an improvement. The ISCO 2008 standard (which superseded the old ISCO 1988) is not simply translated by the statistical agencies, but also adapted to each country's usage. These adaptions of ISCO-08 have various other names: STYRK in Norway, DISCO in Denmark, SSYK in Sweden etc H@r@ld (talk) 06:41, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]