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Messed up type of output

Hi, I'm so sorry to be a bother but could someone delete this function page I created? floor of rational number (Z20032): returns the floor of a rational number

I accidentally set the output to a natural number instead of an integer. I don't see anywhere I can correct it so I think it has to be deleted? I got too excited about rational numbers, really sorry about that.

(Also, while I'm here asking for help, how would I go about getting the numerator and denominator directly in Composition? I tried to do that first but got a bit stuck and switched to JS)

Moon motif (talk) 08:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

You can change the return type by editing the function https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z20032?action=edit. I’ve already done that. The test cases fail because they still expect a natural number. You can change those too, if you like, but I think this function duplicates truncate a rational number (Z19682), in which case it’s likely to be deleted eventually. You can request this yourself at Wikifunctions:Requests for deletions

There are functions to extract the numerator and denominator (and the sign). You can see those in the second list of same Rational number object, list composition (Z19911). (In the first list, you can see corresponding examples of the general solution.) There are also functions for extracting the numerator and denominator of the simplified representation: numerator of simplified rational number (Z19722) and denominator of simplified rational number (Z19724).

I’m happy to hear that you’re excited about rational numbers! If you need any more help, please don’t hesitate to ask. It would be interesting to hear, some time, how you “got a bit stuck” in the first place, as feedback into our ongoing usability improvements. GrounderUK (talk) 11:25, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Floor always rounds down right? So for negative numbers it's not a duplicate of truncate, which rounds toward zero. 99of9 (talk) 12:19, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. Feeglgeef (talk) 19:38, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense. Thanks! GrounderUK (talk) 20:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh! I didn't realize i could just edit it, haha. I think I saw a discussion here earlier about needing to delete a function for a different type and must have thought it would also apply to me. As for getting a bit stuck, I was confused because I thought I would be able to use the "Argument reference" directly to access the numerator, denominator, and sign of the rational number like a kind of "dot notation" (i.e., fraction.numerator or fraction.sign). Though, with the benefit of a good sleep, I can see why a function to get the numerator and denominator makes sense. Thanks for your help! Moon motif (talk) 19:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

The correct function if you wanted to do this was Value by key (Z803). The numerator/denominator functions serve as helpful abstractions to make it easier. IMO Value by key should have a greater suggestion/presence in the UI, given it's use. Thanks. Feeglgeef (talk) 19:37, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Either way is fine by me. That’s why I favour using both in an equality function implementation like same Rational number object, list composition (Z19911), so people can take their pick. Value by key (Z803) has the drawback that the Key reference field is generally disabled the first time you select it in an implementation or test case (the ticket for that is phab:T360580). GrounderUK (talk) 20:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Discord

Thoughts on a Wikifunctions discord server or a channel in the Wikimedia discord? Personally I'm leaning for a whole server because the project is quite abstract, but just wanted to gather some thoughts here. Zippybonzo (talk) 22:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

The Telegram is really active, I don't see a need for a Discord. Feeglgeef (talk) 22:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

There's a telegram??!! News to me lol. Zippybonzo (talk) 22:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

You should join it :). It's at [1] Feeglgeef (talk) 22:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

It is linked on Wikifunctions:Main Page… Always has been! GrounderUK (talk) 22:51, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I mean, there's a link to a link on the Main Page, but still. It's also in the section that's looked past without thinking. Feeglgeef (talk) 22:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Search for functions, excluding test cases

I tried to search for functions involving ISBN but the result contains both actual functions such as is valid ISBN, Python (Z16842) and test cases such as 9992158107 is valid ISBN-10 (Z11708). Is there or will there be a way to differentiate both in search? JakobVoss (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Not currently, but it's planed in the future. Thanks! Feeglgeef (talk) 14:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

You can also put "Z8" in "exactly this text" in the advanced search menu, but if an object mentions Z8 and is not a function for some reason, it will still be show, but it works as a solution for the time being. Feeglgeef (talk) 14:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Not in current plans (No current plans / external) but being looked at again. GrounderUK (talk) 00:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

It's in Longer-term plans in WF:Status, so I guess that should be changed? Feeglgeef (talk) 00:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Possibly. The ticket’s still open, so I suggest we leave Current status as it is until we get some response from the team. I’ll add it to the To-do list below. GrounderUK (talk) 01:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Try

https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?fulltext=1&ns0=1&profile=advanced&search=ISBN+Z8K1&title=Special%3ASearch

Adding “Z8K1” will tend to exclude objects that are not of type Function (Z8). (Similarly, adding “Z14K1” will tend to return only objects of type Implementation (Z14) and adding “Z20K1” will tend to return only objects of type Test case (Z20).) GrounderUK (talk) 14:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

You can get even more accurate if you have it match exactly '"Z2K2": { "Z1K1": "Z8"' Feeglgeef (talk) 15:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! If every ZObjects must have Type, filtering by type seems an important criteria for search. I managed to get a list of types via https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?search=%22Z1K1%3AZ4%22&title=Special:Search&ns0=1 JakobVoss (talk) 10:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes. We do have Special:ListObjectsByType and type-specific lists like Special:ListObjectsByType/Z4 but these cannot be filtered or searched yet. Your approach using a (case insensitive) z1k1:z… search term is probably as good as it gets currently, being both reliable and relatively simple. Thank you for sharing! GrounderUK (talk) 11:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Added page Wikifunctions:Find.
• Updated tip in Wikifunctions:Status and copied to new page.
• Add comment to phab:T271963

To do:

• Link Current status page to Wikifunctions:Find
• Add Wikifunctions:Find to Wikifunctions:Community portal
• Clarify status of T271963 and update Current status if appropriate

GrounderUK (talk) 20:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #182 is out: WordGraph release; New Special page: list functions by tests; new type for day of the year, and much more

There is a new update for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we discuss the implications of the release of Google Zurich's WordGraph dataset, we introduce a new special page, support for other Wikidata statements and a new type (day of Roman year), and finally we take a look at the latest software developments.

Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check our archive!

Enjoy the reading! -- User:Sannita (WMF) (talk) 15:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Update "Functions to try out"

Currently, the "Functions to try out" section of the main page has functions that are quite old. The one most recently created was made in March. I think we should replace the contents with the previous functions of the week. This would direct new users to our current work with Wikidata lexeme (Z6005), Rational number (Z19677), Gregorian year (Z20159), Day of Roman year (Z20342), where they are currently directed to string functions, which, while important to include, misrepresent the project and its current status. Thanks! Feeglgeef (talk) 03:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Can we make the 'Functions to try out' section more dynamic? I mean, we can use a set of multiple templates, each containing different functions to try out. The templates could be displayed randomly (along with the purge) or on a day to day basis. Just an idea though. Asked42 (talk) 15:55, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Next Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Volunteers' Corner will be on December 9

Hi, we remind you that, if you have questions or ideas to discuss about Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia, you can participate to the next Volunteers' Corner, that will be held on December 9, at 15:30 UTC (link to the meeting).

We hope to see you there! -- User:Sannita (WMF) (talk) 14:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

The recording of the Volunteer's Corner is now available on Commons. Enjoy! --Sannita (WMF) (talk) 10:21, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

code artifacts with wikifunction api

Hi. I didn't find it in the API. Is there any way to get the function code artifact through the API. For example, for If Z802 get the python code artifact and status (passed tests, etc.) Konstantin Klepikov (talk) 01:52, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome! If I remember correctly, to get connected implementations, you can get the JSON of the object from the API and grab the .Z2K2.Z8K4, which will give you a list of connected implementations. As for status, I'm not sure. Someone else may know how to do this, or you can ask the development team themselves at the volunteer's corner, at 15:30 UTC, Monday. Thanks! Feeglgeef (talk) 02:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Just looking through the network tab, the URL seems to be www.wikifunctions.org/w/api.php?action=wikilambda_perform_test&format=json&wikilambda_perform_test_zfunction={ZFUNCTION}&wikilambda_perform_test_zimplementations={ZIMPLEMENTATIONS (PIPE SEPERATED)}&wikilambda_perform_test_ztesters={ZTESTS (PIPE SEPERATED)&uselang=en (make sure to replace the things in curly braces. Thanks! Feeglgeef (talk) 03:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

@Konstantin Klepikov: Our overall documentation for public APIs is at https://api.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikifunctions_API. You can use the public API, wikilambda_fetch. Please do not use wikilambda_perform_test, it's an internal API, and might go away with no notice. (CC @Feeglgeef, please don't recommend internal APIs.) Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 15:42, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't recommending it, I was just responding with "a way to get the [implementation] status." I, of course, would not recommend it be used. Feeglgeef (talk) 16:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Translations

Hi everybody. I am translating Wikifunctions in French. On Object (Z1) (for example), I don't know where to translate "identity", "keys", "label" and "validator". I encounter the same problem for other functions. I'm writing a short guide for people who would like to translate Wikifunctions into their language. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 07:46, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Object (Z1) is an object of type Type (Z4), so it provides values associated with the keys defined in Type (Z4). The labels for these keys can be entered on Type (Z4). I’m not sure about “the same problem for other functions” but the same principle applies more generally: the label for the key is provided by the object’s type. Just let me know if that doesn’t answer your question. GrounderUK (talk) 09:47, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @GrounderUK:. On Validate HTML fragment (Z189), at "try this function", fragment HTML is in French, but not value, on I don't know where to translate value to have valeur in French. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 14:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

You want to edit source on HTML fragment (Z89) and click the + here:

Feeglgeef (talk) 15:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

@Feeglgeef:, and I do that, click the +, add valeur, and I publish and there is nothing in the history. And the second time I have Vous n’avez pas la permission de modifier les objets 'prédéfinis' existants (sous Z10000) and it not publish. I think there is a problem, maybe because I am very new on this project. Six other fields are also to translate in this item, like validator, is identity, key id... Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 23:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

About this file, I don't find where to translate in French key id, label and texts. Yes for value but it doesn't work when I publish. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 23:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps this is phab:T348997? I'm not sure why that would happen. Feeglgeef (talk) 02:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

key id and label are in Key (Z3) and texts is in Multilingual text (Z12). Where there is a vertical bar to the left, this is an embedded object. The type of the embedded object is the first link for a given bar (under type), so you can just follow such a link in any similar case. GrounderUK (talk) 04:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Multilingual text (Z12)

@Feeglgeef and GrounderUK: It was a success for value type. I had the possibility to choose a language and add my translation. For Multilingual text (Z12) the problem is always here (and was present since my beginning here), so I make a screenshot, I should have done this since the beginning (the computer is new...). I think there is a bug, the display is different compared to Key (Z3), and I can't chose my language. If I had texte and publish, there is no action, I verify on the history. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 11:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I see… when you click the ➕ the new item is in a collapsed state. That’s probably wrong, but what you can do is click the > to the left. That should expand the item you’re andding and allow you to select the language and enter the text for the label. GrounderUK (talk) 12:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, it was that. Thank you @GrounderUK:. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 15:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Sketching a path to Abstract Wikipedia

In the new Status updates there is a section about ideas how to start Abstract Wikipedia. I read the section and from my point of view there are enough available functions in Wikifunctions available to start Abstract Wikipedia. The lack of available data in Wikidata is a huge challenge for further development of Abstract Wikipedia. In conversations about Wikidata often people asked me what the data in Wikidata is used for. The motivation for editing Wikidata could increase if there is a clear case where the data will be used. I think there should be a Sandbox in Dagbani Wikipedia or another Wiki where people can test function calls to Wikifunctions to generating simple texts as used in Abstract Wikipedia in the future. Maybe I am wrong but at least the number of editors in Wikifunctions is at the moment not so high and so hopefully load to the servers will not increase drastically when there will be a Sandbox to test function calls and some tests will occur. Do you think this is a first step how to go beyound theory as written down in the Status update. Hogü-456 (talk) 21:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

1. I mean, sure, we kinda already have begun Abstract Wikipedia work.
2. Sure, that might increase motivation.
3. We plan to allow function calls on test2wiki before dagwiki

Thanks! Feeglgeef (talk) 22:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)